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Location Selection Expanding to UK Clients

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Annette E Member Since: Mar 17, 2018
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I'm not the least bit excited about this new "feature", on the contrary.

 

I am in the UK and have the exact same issue: the default setting "UK only" renders 1 single job post.

 

It is annoying that "UK only" is the default setting rather than an "opt-in" by clicking "UK only". If this also applies to clients when searching for freelancers, then I suspect that a whole lot of freelancers living abroad will experience a major decline in jobs, both offered (invited to) and available through the job feed.

 

I'm Danish and live in the UK. The vast majority of my clients are physically located in Denmark and only a single of my clients on Upwork has been located in the UK. If my profile doesn't appear by default in "search freelancers" outside of the UK, and if clients start restricting the physical location from where they accept freelancers' proposals, then I might as well shut down my Upwork profile and look elsewhere for less restrictive options.

 

In a globalized world, I find it highly questionable to go local rather than international. I do not see the benefits of this restricting "feature" except where a difference in time zones could be an issue - it seems more like a way to avoid the "undesirables" and I really don't like the connotations of that...

 

Furthermore there is the issue of providing ID for location confirmation. I can't prove my location with any ID or passport in my possession as these are all Danish. With free movement within the EU, I suspect that this is an issue that will continue to grow as you add other "country only" countries.

 

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Vladimir G Moderator Member Since: Oct 31, 2014
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Hi Annette,

 

Thank you for your feedback. At this time there isn’t a way to change the default. This toggle is designed to make the location filter easier to find and to turn on and off.  We welcome feedback on this design, and I’ll be sure to relay your comments to the team.

 

Regarding your concern about how this feature might affect your future contracts. If we do expand this option to clients in other countries, each time they post a job it will be their choice as to whether they’ll only accept proposals from freelancers in their country or from freelancers worldwide. We know from testing this in the U.S. first that taking this step will likely increase the number of projects available for Upwork freelancers globally. Why? Potential clients who can, when needed, easily find freelancers within their country are more likely to use Upwork for all their freelancing needs, including work where freelancer location doesn’t matter.  

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Annette E Member Since: Mar 17, 2018
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I am all for choice, but when the default setting is "UK only" it is less of a choice, it is the default.

 

If you let freelancers and clients actively choose, rather than force it through with a default setting, then it would probably provide better results and be more appreciated.

 

 

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Jess C Member Since: Feb 18, 2015
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@Annette E wrote:

I am all for choice, but when the default setting is "UK only" it is less of a choice, it is the default.

 

If you let freelancers and clients actively choose, rather than force it through with a default setting, then it would probably provide better results and be more appreciated.


A THOUSAND KUDOS. US-based freelancers have been making the same arguments for as long as these location-based filters have been in use. We should get to choose our own defaults.

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Ela K Member Since: Feb 9, 2015
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@Annette E wrote:

 

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In a globalized world, I find it highly questionable to go local rather than international. I do not see the benefits of this restricting "feature" except where a difference in time zones could be an issue - it seems more like a way to avoid the "undesirables" and I really don't like the connotations of that...

 

With free movement within the EU, I suspect that this is an issue that will continue to grow as you add other "country only" countries.

This. Why should a verification process that works for the US work for EU member UK, which is (still) part of a single market that allows people to move freely and work in all member states? Especially since there is no obligation to register in the UK? One would have thought that Upwork's European CEO knew this kind of thing.

 

On a side note, why is everybody talking about "Eire" instead of Ireland? Am I supposed to call Germany Deutschland from here on out?

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Nichola L Member Since: Mar 13, 2015
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Yet another unthought-out feature. I cannot think why Upwork couldn't just have adopted what Elance had which was viable, and that was a list of countries and jobs pertaining to those countries that both freelancers and clients could make use of. 

 

I am a UK native speaker living in France (and there are quite a few of us on Upwork, and of course, other UK native speakers who live in other European countries too), who will now be barred from applying for jobs offered by UK clients. 

 

I, and many others, will be banned, barred from even seeing some jobs let alone applying for them. Upwork you continue to make me feel like a pariah. But hey, I do hope your excitement lasts. It must be thrilling for you to know that you have cut even more potential income from your freelancers. 

 

ETA: And I am sure Upwork has taken Brexit it into account . . .

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Richard W Member Since: Jun 22, 2017
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@Nichola L wrote:

Yet another unthought-out feature. I cannot think why Upwork couldn't just have adopted what Elance had which was viable, and that was a list of countries and jobs pertaining to those countries that both freelancers and clients could make use of. 

 

I am a UK native speaker living in France (and there are quite a few of us on Upwork, and of course, other UK native speakers who live in other European countries too), who will now be barred from applying for jobs offered by UK clients. 

 

I, and many others, will be banned, barred from even seeing some jobs let alone applying for them. Upwork you continue to make me feel like a pariah. But hey, I do hope your excitement lasts. It must be thrilling for you to know that you have cut even more potential income from your freelancers. 

 

ETA: And I am sure Upwork has taken Brexit it into account . . .


If it's any consolation, Nichola, the number of UK Only jobs seems to be negligible. I've only seen two in my job feed so far. And I would think that clients wanting translations would be even less likely to select UK only.

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Rene K Member Since: Jul 10, 2014
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@Richard W wrote:

And I would think that clients wanting translations would be even less likely to select UK only.

On the other hand, clients who are not based in the UK or in the US may want to select US/UK only when they seek translation into English.

 

But they can't, because Upwork has not implemented this. For some reason.

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Kim F Member Since: Aug 26, 2015
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On a side note, why is everybody talking about "Eire" instead of Ireland? Am I supposed to call Germany Deutschland from here on out?

 

It was me who said Eire.  It removed any possibility of the geographically challenged being confused by 'RoI' or a simple 'Ireland' and assuming NI. And I'm getting old and am used to using it.  

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Steve G Member Since: Nov 26, 2016
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UK clients are the LAST and least attractive client from a UK based freelancer because VAT cannot be applied in any realistic way.

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