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Intro: Please check my proposal at the end of this comment. I would love to see it implemented! I seem to be the first who does not like this feature (at least not the current requirements) Why? 5000$ in 3 month: - doable for IT specialists or other "better paid" contractors. - Surely not for translators or creative writers (I get roughly 1000$/month). - Increasing my rates would cause less invitations/jobs at all 30h/work: - super for "low wage contractors" who have VA jobs, transcription jobs, data entry, customer support jobs and again, IT specialists who work on an hourly basis - not for translators or creative writers (we mostly have fixed price jobs --> getting paid per written word) I think I am a hard-working individual who also deserves to be part of such an "elite group". In my opinion, translations are much more challenging than data entry or other easy jobs our Asian friends keep getting. Don't get me wrong, they invest a lot of time and surely deserve to be part of the elite. But then again, how can people be part of this group, if they have *unprofessional* profiles and *lousy* English skills? I simply feel neglected (even discriminated against) as I simply CANNOT fulfull either requirement due to the nature of things. We translators hardly get hourly jobs and the payment isn't as good as to reach the 5.000$. If you ask me, it would be A LOT better if you introduced specific "elite groups" for each branch (like "IT elite", "data entry elite", "translators elite" etc.). This would keep things fair and there would not be discrimination. Greetings, André PS: In this case I even consider to make up an hourly contract with a couple my good clients, let them pay for the hourly contract and return the money via PayPal. I know it is against the policies, but what can I do if I am neglected in this new feature? I also want to profit from it...and I deserve it. Not that I want to manipulate under all circumstances, I just want to keep it fair. PPS: Speaking of tracking time. Maybe we should be able to track time even for fixed priced contracts. Of course we would not be paid for our time, but at least the algorithm for this elite group knows that we are working. It could even forward the screenshots/keyboard/mouse activity things as to prevent cheating. Really, I just want to have a fair way for all of us. PPPS: How about another criteria especially for translators. Like "20.000 words translated per month". This could be easily tracked. The client just needs to determine the word count to be translated (this happens all the time already in the job description) and once the feedback was given, the algorithm can count the words. As per those hourly contracts, there could be a "keyboard activity counter" which tracks the keyboard hits. 5 hits could be converted into 1 word...what do I know. Really, I just want a solution for us translators to have a fair chance to enter these groups.
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No offence, but I think your faith in oDesk writing algorithms for info like this is - well - optimistic, if not misplaced. It seems even the simplest ones turn out gobbledygook a lot of the time
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I know what you mean. But hey, they've installed a new "template" for clients to offer jobs on oDesk. It should not be that difficult to include a "how many words to you want to have translated?" if the client picks "translation" as the category. For hourly jobs, it is slighlty more difficult I have to admit. People could cheat by just typing stuff, deleting it again (everything is key activity...). But maybe they could just increase the conversion rate to 10 hits = 1 word or so. Really, I just need something "fair" for us translators/writers.
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Hey Andre, you have some good points, but don't feel to bad about it, I mean realistically what do you actually lose by not being in this group? Phone contact? And that is it. I mean it is not like you have less chance to get a client or that you have bigger fee than those in these groups. In short, nothing changed, this is all just about ego and you shouldn't really feel bad about it Btw you translators rock, it is a hard job and requires lot of dedication, I really admire the work you guys do. Cheers!
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Hey Matey, Thanks for the shot in the arm, sometimes we just need to get motivated by someone to keep on going. (*checking my dictionary for such expressions and not feeling to sure about it, though*) My only fear is that some people get a badge in their profile like "Look at me, I'm the elite". Clients have no idea how they were picked and will automatically assume "oh, wow, that's the dude for my work!". I don't really care to get the phone support or those other features. I get along quite okay...but it'd be a pain in the [insert body part] to find out that some get advantaged and others not with regards to clients hunting. The rest does not matter at all if you ask me. PS: Maybe you could be my marketing guy to get me more clients if this feature is implemented here.
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Sorry for the late reply, I missed the post Yeah, I hear you, well whatever they decide to do I think you can always get into at least silver club. If you have high rate, it will be the money and if you have low rate but over 40 hours it will be by hours. Just keep the hard work and rock on!
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Hi Matej, I hear that the benefits described above may not be motivating to you. What could we offer that would make a difference? I'd love to hear any suggestions of benefits I could add to the club that would make oDesk work better for you. — Katrina Benjamin oDesk Manager, Freelancer Success
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Hey Katrina, I don't really know, of course that the badge thing would be nice for us, but this really isn't fair to the other people here - I really agree on that. I think any extra protection from crazy clients can be helpful, even if you are a perfect contractor, there will be those who have unrealistic expectations. I don't really have any ideas to achieve that, although the idea that client should give us the rate on monthly or "every-three-months" basis, on the long term contracts would help. Working for someone for a year, hundreds and hundreds of hours and then get slapped with 1.0 rating because they have unrealistic expectations is awful. On top of that, this is another issue: how can a job with 500 hours have the same influence on the total rating like a job that takes 2 hours. I am not complaining here, Odesk is already great as it is, but I guess some great ideas could be implemented to make it even better, almost perfect
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The influence on the rating heavily (and exclusively?) depends on the earned money thorugh the specific contract. I have once seen a contractor who had ~20 jobs on oDesk. All of them were worth between 5-50$ and he received 5-star payments. He then had a contract worth 1,200$ and just got a 1-star rating. His overall rate was 1,X. As I said, not sure if hours worked actually matter, but the money earned definitely. Greetings, André