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13a54e2c
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Account suspension

Good day

 

Lately I was through the next flow:

  1. I have been suspended from the very first moment I tried to pay my freelancer.
  2. The reason for the suspension was: suspect of double registration.
  3. I have been requested to pass an identity-verification process and so was my freelancer
  4. We sent our bank statements and our ID's. He sent his passport and I sent my company's CEO passport as told by Mae from the risk management team.
  5. He passed successfully and I have been denied because of the passport "altered" photo.
  6. I have tried to passed the process again with another passport and the same bank statement but had been denied this time for unacceptable bank statement.
  7. I have tried to open a chat about this tiket but the agent just hanged (screenshot of chat in the attaches).

It's more than 2 weeks neither my freelancer or myself cannot get the money I have sent.

Am I asking for too much?

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kochubei_valeria
Community Manager
Community Manager

Hi Ilia,

 

I apologize for the inconvenience and the delay. I have followed up with the team about your ID verification and account suspension. Could you please submit a statement for the payment method you have added to your Upwork account?

 

Thank you!

~ Valeria
Upwork

Thank you for your answer

Of course I can and that document I have already attached in the previous 2 attempts - it's an Isracard (Israeli credit card company) statement connected directly to the card used as payment method in our paypal account...

Maybe what you need is a paypal statement? But there is no paper statement of paypal... Only digital reports...

Sent both of them in the private message to you.

Thank you for your help.

Hi Ilia,

 

Sorry about the delayed response. I have forwarded the documents to the team and they are currently reviewing them.

 

Thank you!

~ Valeria
Upwork
13a54e2c
Member

And again - silence...
957c0c26
Member

It's disappointing that clients are treated this way. I have not found my experience in the verification process to be positive or reasonable thus far (my bank statement was deemed unacceptable because it was not in color--but it was a color scan of the exact black-and-white statement I received in the mail). 

 

Very disappointing, when we're the ones bringing our wallets to the service.

It's 14 days already... I am afraid I'll be forced to make a chargeback at some point, if nothing changes...

Hello All, 

 

Everything in blue is kind of ranty backstory. You can skip it to get to my point!

 

I've been lurking through the forums looking for places to complain about my current suspension. But really that doesn't accomplish much except maybe entertain myself for a minute at a time. So here's my ordeal.

 

I started my account two weeks ago. The first week was great. Most of my freelancers were doing excellent work, and the one time I needed CS help, I got it super fast. Carlo was kind of amazing in how quick and effective he was in addressing my issues. Like a bawss. But I digress.

 

A week ago, my account was suspended. A couple hours after, I got a notice about the suspension and the reason why. Upon review, my account appeared "linked" to 11 other accounts (those belonging to people whom I had hired for my job). I was confused by this term, and requested clarification. I got silence. But it's okay, because I'm a resourceful lady and figured out they meant my account appeared to be owned and/or controlled by the same person or people who owned and/or controlled those other accounts. The T&C does not use the term "linked" to describe instances of owning multiple accounts, but hopefully Upwork will address that to make the language more consistent in their correspondences with customers. I digress again.

 

It took me a while to figure out what was meant by "linked" and in the meantime I tried explaining every other possible infringement I could have done. I explained that I only pay and communicate with my freelancers via Upwork, insisting that my CSR check out our messages. I also cleared Upwork with my bank, as I believed at one point that the issue was suspected card fraud. I assured my CSR that it was taken care of, but he was still silent. Finally after a few days, he asked me to explain why my account appears linked to those other accounts. I'm still not sure if I made my case well enough, because the best I can do is point out that Upwork brought our accounts together and linked us that way. I had never met my freelancers before connecting with them on Upwork, and I do not access anyone's account but my own. 

 

Anyway, my CSR (Eli) requested I complete ID verification. At this point, I was already frustrated, because IMO, contacting my card issuer to assure that Updesk gets paid is all the verification really needed. But fine. I submit a color scan of my passport and a student loan bill (I don't have utilities in my name, and I share a joint bank account with someone who is not comfy with me sending bank statements to Internet people). 

 

My first attempt at ID verification was declined because the name on my profile did not match the name on my documents. Again, this is frustrating, because I feel like as long as the name on my documents matches the name on my METHOD OF PAYMENT, all should be good, no? No. I had enjoyed a degree of anonymity my first week by using initials. I was very sad when Upwork said No to that. But fine. I resubmitted my the same documents after requesting my profile name be changed to reflect the name on my documents.

 

My second attempt at ID verification also failed. This time it was because the student loan bill was not in color. I looked closely at the language of the ID verification guidelines. It says you must not alter the colors of the documents, but it does not say the documents must be in color. My statement issuer mailed that statement to me in greyscale and I scanned it just as I did my passport, using color settings on my scanner. I don't even know the actual tones the statement is supposed to come in. My frustration rose because, for the address verfication component, that seemed like such a petty reason to deem a document unacceptable. Especially one as legit as a student loan bill. Student loan holders don't play. You can even see the folded lines where the statement was stuffed into an envelope for postal delivery!

 

Anyway, for my third attempt, I submitted a color scan of my DL and a color sort-of-printout statement from my card-issuing bank. I think this will be acceptable this time, because even if the statement doesn't pan out, my DL has my address printed right on it. But I worry that some other undisclosed flaw will result in my request being declined. 

 

I want to make sure all my little ducks are lined up in a row before my ID-verify request is reviewed again. To this end, even though I really hate the idea of having my name AND my face here for all the world to see, I have uploaded a picture to my profile. I read somewhere that one guy got declined because his profile picture wasn't "similar enough" to his official ID picture. I didn't even have a picture uploaded for my first two attempts, and I suspect this would have become a problem for attempt 3, even if it hasn't been mentioned so far in my communications with the ID-verify team. They really need to look at documents closely the FIRST time so they can tell you ALL the problems they see in one shot, rather than play this game of back-and-forth. Such a waste of everyone's time.

 

Anyway, I want to know if there is ANYTHING else I need to do with my profile to make sure the ID-verify people don't toss back my request with another bunk delay? A third denial, given everything else I have done and the very sensitive documentation I have submitted in good faith for scrutiny by these strangers, would be extremely disheartening, and likely make me give up, close shop and request my money in escrow back. 

 

But assuming my ID verification will go through this time, I went ahead and compiled screenshots of ALL communications (interviews AND ongoing discussions about the job) between mine and the other accounts in question. I read somewhere that this may become another request. I took screenshots of 11 conversations (some of them lengthy) and submitted those in my ticket. Not having this requested of me yet, I don't know if there's a format I should have followed, but I uploaded them anyway. What would have been super helpful is if Upwork in that first suspension email had given me instructions about everything I'd need to prepare and how to prepare it. Maybe if I had Carlo on my side, I wouldn't feel like I'm fumbling in the dark here. I miss Carlo. Can I have Carlo?

 

I'm very tired of these delays, especially when the team requests that I follow through with their procedures quickly, but are themselves sluggish in getting back to me. I am super frustrated and feel I am not being treated as a valued customer. Why is Upwork making it so hard for me to give them my money? 

Linked accounts:

 

Too many people have reported this issue. This sure seems to be a bug.

 

Please Upwork look into this.

So this morning I got news that my ID has been verified finally. Only took 3 attempts.

 

I notified the CSR in my ticket. If he gives me a hard time about submitting message screenshots (which I've already attached to the ticket) and delays lifting the suspension any longer, my frustration may reach its tipping point.

 

But hopefully CSR Eli will come through for me.

 

Come on, Eli. You can do it!

Re-in-stated and it feeeels so gooood.

 

I have decided that it's easier to register to vote than it is to get ID verified on Upwork. Same kind of documentation, too. Still easier.

 

Time to spend more money! ๐Ÿ˜›

kugrin
Member

Folks over in the freelancer forum wonder why there is a decline in listings...

 

Like Natasha said, we've heard reports about accounts randomly getting associated for over two months now. Since nearly every single feature on this site is broken, it's mind boggling that the blame for this one is placed on the affected clients and freelancers, rather than the site and their dev team. 

 

This is absolutely insane. Clients paying real money to contractors (and to Upwork) should not be treated this way!

 

If automated algorithms flag an client account for some reason, a human being within some level of intelligence and diplomacy can investigate the matter without blocking the client's activity.

 

I am sure in most cases the investigators will end up shaking their head, wondering what the algorithm programmers were thinking and hoping they can improve the algorithms so innocent people are not accused like this.

 

Yes, make every effort to get rid of the bad apples. But there is no reason to block the client during crazy witch hunts.


@Krisztina U wrote:

Like Natasha said, we've heard reports about accounts randomly getting associated for over two months now.


Now I'm worried by something I noticed a while ago.  At some point after the Upwork switch, this WDL (an old client of mine; contract paused for being idle) started to appear in my upper right account menu:

 

linked.jpg

 

Based on posts discussing other topics, I think that's where I would be expecting to find a client account of my own should I start to hire on Upwork.  So have I somehow been improperly associated/linked with WDL?  Do they also have access to my account (for the record, I have never clicked on their menu item to see what it does)?  Is my account (and theirs) at risk of suspension because of whatever has caused this?

 

Some answers would definitely be appreciated.

 


@Darrin O wrote:

Based on posts discussing other topics, I think that's where I would be expecting to find a client account of my own should I start to hire on Upwork.  So have I somehow been improperly associated/linked with WDL?  Do they also have access to my account (for the record, I have never clicked on their menu item to see what it does)?  Is my account (and theirs) at risk of suspension because of whatever has caused this?

 


That's exactly where your client account would show up. We can only speculate about the consequences but people were suspended over a lot less, and once under review it's the never ending story in three parts with Upwork, so I'd contact CS and try to get it fixed ASAP.

You should delete the last row in the image.


@Michael R wrote:

You should delete the last row in the image.


No need to bother as the user names continue to be visible to this day when accessing the forum from a phone. I gave up 3+ months ago to get them to fix it. 


@Krisztina U wrote:

No need to bother as the user names continue to be visible to this day when accessing the forum from a phone. I gave up 3+ months ago to get them to fix it. 


 Thanks for the hint.


@Krisztina U wrote:
No need to bother as the user names continue to be visible to this day when accessing the forum from a phone.

 I can see it in 2 clicks via the web interface, too.  If that's your last name, it put a smile on my face.  Smiley Happy

 


@Darrin O wrote:
I can see it in 2 clicks via the web interface, too.  If that's your last name, it put a smile on my face.  Smiley Happy

 


 Ha, it is. I didn't even notice it in the web interface until just now. 

 

 

Hi Darrin,

 

A company other than yours would show in the drop down menu if the client has given you permissions on their end. I will make a note on the ticket you submitted for the team and they will investigate and assist you further.

 

 

Also, I would like to note that there are a few reasons why a client's account may get suspended and investigated including issues with payment methods, certain transactions, account sharing, etc. The suspension is applied right away for safety reasons. I will share your feedback about the wording "linked accounts" with the team. We will consider how we can improve it to avoid confusion.

 

Thank you!

~ Valeria
Upwork


@Valeria K wrote:

Hi Darrin,

 

A company other than yours would show in the drop down menu if the client has given you permissions on their end. I will make a note on the ticket you submitted for the team and they will investigate and assist you further.


Thank you for following up on this.  I can think of no good reason for that client to do such a thing, so it's either some confusion on their part with the interface, or something went screwy on the backend and the flag was set in Upwork's database without the client's knowledge.  Not good either way, doubly so if it's the sort of thing that can lead to suspensions.

 

Changing the wording is not going to solve the problem.

 

This is just another issue with linked accounts https://community.upwork.com/t5/Freelancers/Account-suspension-due-to-manual-hours/m-p/102763#U10276... there is some kind of bug linking clients and freelancers accounts. I had the same issue few months ago.

 

Accounts get suspended because itโ€™s a violation to oDesk/Upwork policy to sign up for more than one account, the problem is that itโ€™s a bug causing this.

Hi Natasha,

 

There is no bug that causes accounts to be linked. We have systems in place that identify potential violations of the Policies and then the team follows up with further investigation. At that stage it's important that users communicate with the team through the ticket to clarify the issue.

~ Valeria
Upwork

It happened to me, my account got linked to one of my clientโ€™s account. Lucky for me it was actually solved fast.

 

In our review, your account appears to be linked with these accounts:

Clientโ€™s account.

 

That is why I think there is something wrong, and so many have reported the same issue.


@Valeria K wrote:

Hi Natasha,

 

There is no bug that causes accounts to be linked. 


Then how did this happen? https://community.upwork.com/t5/Freelancers/Online-Visibility/m-p/93613#M44044

Hi Krizstina,

 

This was an issue unrelated to account suspensions.

~ Valeria
Upwork


@Valeria K wrote:

Hi Krizstina,

 

This was an issue unrelated to account suspensions.


You said there was no bug that caused accounts to be linked, I linked a thread that shows that there is a bug causing accounts to be linked. Once acknowledged, what is being done about it?

Hi Krisztina,

 

I have checked the issue Julie reported on that thread and it should be fixed now. Julies account appears to function properly now. In any case a technical issue such as hers, would not result in a suspension for linked accounts. They are completely different issues. 

~ Valeria
Upwork
mdtusher10
Member

hi i have open my acount on odesk few years back and after that when odesk turn to upwork i was out from freelance work regarding few issues. but recently i have decided to come back and start my freelance work once again. so that i badly needed to re active my acount asap. thanks

Hi Md. Tazul,

 

It looks like your account was limited back in 2013 so I am following up with the team to get more current information about your account status. We'll update you as soon as possible.

~ Valeria
Upwork