Are the Entry-Level/Intermediate/Expert pay band names helpful?

[John K]

Allan, you made interesting comments, but given your profile is private, I can't even tell if you're a freelancer or a client. I hope some clients will read your post and add their comments, because I'm strictly a freelancer so  I probably do not have much insight into client psychology.

[#2]

The payment levels seem to be applied by clients subjectively, especially, if higher rates are affected.. I sometimes see incredibly low budgets linked to $$$ (the symbol for high fees). If a client selected that he only wants to pay the lowest rates then I can be sure that this is true and abstain from applying. 

[Samantha S]

As a freelancer, they are not helpful. I ignore them as best I can. 

I think the client chooses the level and also chooses the budget (for fixed rate work). I wish Upwork would automatically set it based on the client's budget so it could at least be a helpful filtering tool.

Right now the levels are not useful as a filter. I have had some decent paying "entry level" projects and I declined $5 for 10 hours of work at an "expert level". I think part of the problem is that it is an international platform. I pretty much ignore the levels as they are currently way too subjective. I wouldn't mind if the levels were discontinued.  I can't imagine they could be that helpful to clients either since many experienced freelancers probably just ignore them.

[Scott B]

I agree that from a freelancer point of view they are subjective to the point of being  nearly worthless.  I say nearly, because it does give me some insight into what the client might be thinking.  Whether I personally agree with something being "Expert" or "Entry Level" it does signal me when the intention is rock bottom prices over anything else.  Conversely at least looking for the highest expertise as a stronger criteria also says something.  However, these are just small indications that can have some value but in the end don't mean more than that.  If the job looks interesting and the client has taken the time to provide details that suggest it has been thought about for more than 2 minutes , then it can be worth going after regardless of expressed level desired.

[Ravindra B]

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@Scott B wrote:

If the job looks interesting and the client has taken the time to provide details that suggest it has been thought about for more than 2 minutes , then it can be worth going after regardless of expressed level desired.

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 Yes, that's what counts.

[Preston H]

I am fine with the current status quo, but I commend Alan for his thoughtful consideration of the topic and for his original ideas.

[Gabriel B]

I'm so sick of all this "I'm going to get myself a cheap developer from a poor country" attitude.

The only way to get somebody cheap is if he doesn't know his own value. That's a small number of developers to begin with. And after a while he will eventually figure things out. And once he does, goodbye. He'll leave your project half finished without even looking back.

[Kinhou F]

Thank you Gabriel B. For an African Beninese who did not know the realities of Western programmers I was exploited for scraps. But my research has allowed me to open my eyes and understand this market a little more.
My latest misadventure to date is related to a friend, a colleague who applied for a writing project by a famous French client (I specify) who offers a rate of $ 4 to $ 12 per word. But imagine that he called my friend directly on his mobile phone and offered him a totally discounted rate of $2 a word, and when my friend wanted to know why, he told him that "as we are in Benin (West Africa), that the cost of living is low and that we do not deserve to be paid at a normal rate despite the quality of work is that of a professional writer. blah blah blah blah blah it was a real insult.

[Petra R]

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Kinhou F wrote:

My latest misadventure to date is related to a friend, a colleague who applied for a writing project by a famous French client (I specify) who offers a rate of $ 4 to $ 12 per word. But imagine that he called my friend directly on his mobile phone and offered him a totally discounted rate of $2 a word,

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Most writers would bite the client's hand off being offered $ 2 per word..... 

How is what happened to your friend your misadventure? (Free profile advice: Don't set a profile rate at over 4 times the rate you last worked an hourly contract at. It makes you look silly to clients.)