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Jonathan H Member Since: Jun 19, 2019
11 of 24

Preston H wrote:

 Withdrawing all remaining offers after hiring one freelancer is another way.

This is not a viable way, if you have sent multiple offers you have no control over how quickly people respond and threrefor cant assume that you can just withdraw the other offers. 

 

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Christine A Member Since: May 4, 2016
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Preston H wrote:

 

I was not recommending any specific method of hiring.

 


So if client asks a question and you write multiple paragraphs spelling out how he could do this, that, or the other, how is that NOT a recommendation? Maybe you don't see it, but believe me, most people will think that you're advising them to take a certain course of action, otherwise why bother posting a response at all?

 

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Preston H Member Since: Nov 24, 2014
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Christine: I see what you are saying.

 

The original answer was an answer with an illustration meant to explain the physical mechanics of Upwork’s hiring system. It was a not recommendation about how to hire.

 

My original post in this thread was an answer to the original poster’s question. It helped the original poster understand how hiring works.

 

This thread grew to have many posts from many participants. I can definitely see that there is concern about how the answer could be misconstrued.

 

The thread as a whole now discusses these topics in detail, with concern from all for how various actions would impact both clients and freelancers.

 

I think anybody reading this thread would learn a lot if they didn’t already know these things.

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Christine A Member Since: May 4, 2016
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Preston H wrote:

 

The thread as a whole now discusses these topics in detail, with concern from all for how various actions would impact both clients and freelancers.

 

I think anybody reading this thread would learn a lot if they didn’t already know these things.


Yes, there was eventually a detailed discussion, but nearly 6 hours went by in between your response to the client and John pointing out the ramifications. Within that time, the client may have seen your response and hired a bunch of freelancers already, thereby putting their JSS scores in jeopardy. So, that's on you. 

 

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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
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Christine wrote:

 


Preston H wrote:

 

I was not recommending any specific method of hiring.

 


So if client asks a question and you write multiple paragraphs spelling out how he could do this, that, or the other, how is that NOT a recommendation?

 


I think what we're seeing here is a concept called "backpeddaling furiously after being caught giving positively foul advice by pretending it was not advice, just a list of what is technically possible."

 

It's like telling a blind person at a cross road that they can cross, just to watch them get run down by a nice big truck and saying "Well, I never told him he SHOULD cross, I just said that he CAN. He never asked if he could cross SAFELY!"

 


Preston wrote:

I have hired and paid up to twenty freelancers for the same job.

 


Twenty, eh? Wow. Impressive.

Which job was that as Upwork is clearly obmitting it from your client history,

 

 

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Preston H Member Since: Nov 24, 2014
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re: “Which job was that?”

 

Thank you for asking.

 

I hired exclusively through Upwork for this:

http://www.database-design.org

 

...hiring over a dozen Microsoft Access specialists to write content, plus six or seven designers, whose submissions I combined.

 

A few people I hired never turned in any work within the deadline. But most did.

 

This is a good example of the type of project where a client would intentionally want to hire multiple freelancers simultaneously. I wanted many different perspectives on the same questions.

 

And I wanted many different ideas for the design. These were hourly contracts, so everyone was paid for their time. This way, no money was tied up in escrow.

 

For the content writing, I don’t recall off the top of my head if I used a single job posting or a couple revisions. May have been a single version. But obviously the visual design and writing was done through different job postings.

 

There are lots of other jobs I have posted to hire multiple freelancers, including multiple penetration testers, and multiple artists to design a suite of original avatar images for which I wanted multiple styles.

 

As a freelancer I have worked on many projects which hire many freelancers, sometimes dozens or more.

 

I don’t think that every job (or most jobs even) need to hire multiple freelancers. But it is not uncommon.

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Miriam H Member Since: May 16, 2017
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Preston H wrote:

re: “Which job was that?”

 

Thank you for asking.

 

I hired exclusively through Upwork for this:

http://www.database-design.org

 

...hiring over a dozen Microsoft Access specialists to write content, plus six or seven designers, whose submissions I combined.

 

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For the whole site? Or for the Q/A? In which case that's not a job, that's a survey...

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Preston H Member Since: Nov 24, 2014
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Over twenty people in total were hired for the Q/A and the design.

 

Some of the people who were hired never did any work, and were not paid anything.

 

The site ended up featuring Q/A content from 14 Access specialists, and design from six different designers.

 

I don’t mind if you refer to this as a “survey.” A survey is a legitimate type of job on Upwork. This is an example of a job I used to hire people to answer questions, although it was not formally a “survey.”

 

I have also participated in more structured, formal paid surveys as a freelancer, both written and phone-based.

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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
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Preston H wrote:

Over twenty people in total were hired for the Q/A and the design.

 

Some of the people who were hired never did any work, and were not paid anything.


So contrary to the claim that over 20 people were hired and paid for the same job ("I have hired and paid up to twenty freelancers for the same job."), people were hired to do different things and not everyone was paid.

 

Thanks for clearing that up.

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Preston H Member Since: Nov 24, 2014
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Yes, that is a good point. In looking at the site now and the work submitted, it looks like a total of 20 people who were paid, using separate job postings for MS Access database specialists and web designers.

 

So the precise numbers would be 20 people hired and paid to work on the "project," but not through a single job posting.

 

With more people who were sent hire offers for both Q/A and design work, some of whom accepted the offers but did no work, and some of whom did not accept the offers.

 

Anybody reading this far into the thread woud be able to see that it is certainly possible to send multiple hire offers on Upwork, the types of situations in whch it makes sense to do so are very specific, and do not constitute the majority of jobs posted on Upwork.

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