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Re: My proposals are archived!

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Kathy T Member Since: Jul 17, 2015
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Petra - you know what? When a freelancer posts that they can not get a job, and their profile is good and complete, perhaps we can reply with a link to this discussion. 

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Baris A Member Since: Mar 15, 2017
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Remember when they were hiding jobs from freelancers after some number of top rated applications were received? Then they started to "not hide" them but there was a message from a mod saying they are still doing the experiment. This is the same experiment from what I understand from what a mod wrote here.

 

AND, there are NO talent specialists. There is an algorithm which was hiding jobs from freelancers, which is now hiding freelancers from clients.

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Wendy C Member Since: Aug 24, 2015
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Petra wrote "If you want clients to receive less deadbeat proposals, kick all the deadbeats off the beeping site and be done with it already. Taking my careful proposals and flushing them down the toilet at the hands of someone who has no clue what my clients need is not the solution."

 

That sez it all. I'm "foaming at the mouth" right along with her ... and every other professional who has seen this thread.

 

Upwork's behavior is unacceptable. Devious. Very possibly illegal. And will not be allowed to be pushed aside and ignored as is so often the methodology used to end discussions of this nature. 

 

We are a tenacious lot; that's how we survive and flourish as freelancers. We are also honest; none of the FLers who are so furious with this behavior cost Upwork a penny in 'neediness' or lost revenue.  We are the key sources of U's 20%, 10%, and 5% revenue stream.

 

 

 

 

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Maria T Member Since: Nov 12, 2015
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I have been following the thread without answering anyone because there are people here who, in addition to writing English correctly, explain everything in a detailed and precise way (Petra, you get the prize and I'm sorry about what happened to you)
It would be nice if @Dan R. and @Sarah H. (the clients) told us what explanations they have received from Upwork.
I see that no mod has followed with the thread and, really, what has happened to Petra is for give some explanation.
Angry, very angry !!

Community Guru
Wendy C Member Since: Aug 24, 2015
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@ Maria, your English is very good so don't apologize, please.  Your opinions and comments are valuable - well thought out and accurate.  We'd all like to read U's 'explanation' to the clients in question.  

 

@ Baris, do you have actual proof that the misnamed 'talent' specialists are strictly algorithms or are you being brilliantly sarcastic? 

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Baris A Member Since: Mar 15, 2017
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I'm 100% sure they are not archiving "excess" proposals one by one by hand.

Community Guru
Wendy C Member Since: Aug 24, 2015
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Wasn't there mention of a client charge for utilizing these so called 'experts'?  If so - pity the poor conned buyers for paying for inaccurate algorithms.

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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
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@Wendy C wrote:

Wasn't there mention of a client charge for utilizing these so called 'experts'?  If so - pity the poor conned buyers for paying for inaccurate algorithms.


 I think an algorithm has a better chance of getting it right than an incompetent human.

Those people are removing near half the proposals.

 

In my case, on paper (and in the opinion of the client and mine as a super experienced freelancer who hardly ever applies) the job was a 100% match (or I would not have bothered) except for the budget.

 

What more do I have to do than keep a 100% JSS year in, year out, 97% client would recommend , 4.997 average star rating, nearly 14k hours, way over 500 k earned, to avoid some entry level clueless person to pluck my proposal from a job that was a 100% fabulous fit in the opinion of the client and myself and chuck it in the trash?

 

This needs to stop.

 

I agree clients get too many proposals. I really do.

So remove a third of the no-hoper and poor freelancers on the site and the problem is solved for years to come.

 

But don't you jolly well DARE allow unqualified minions to steal our work, time, and money. Just don't.

The only people in the archived folders should be those the client puts in there. That's it. If Upwork thinks it is a good way to spend their money to have those people "help" find freelancers, that is one thing. But for those incompetents to be trusted to remove our proposals is

**Edited for Community Guidelines** up beyond belief. 

 

 

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Baris A Member Since: Mar 15, 2017
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Past week or two, I've getting "your application is declined" messages for every proposal I send. Imagine that clients all together decided to send declined messages. I never ever had more than 3 or 4 declined messages the whole time I've been working here. Go figure... I never applied to a job that I'm not 100% sure to complete with a full review. They are not filtering bad fits. They are filtering the excess after some number is reached. And I'm writing this again they are not doing this manually. There is not even a decent algorithm doing the screening. It's just a numbers game. Whoever is finding these brilliant ideas should be fired or if they are not fireable replaced immediately.

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Baris A Member Since: Mar 15, 2017
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It would be a historic moment if a mod came and replied:

 

We tried something and couldn't see how it will affect freelancers and clients. We are sorry. This experiment is ended as of this minute.

 

Dream on...

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