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Re: is the issue of proposals getting archived sorted?

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Reinier B Member Since: Nov 3, 2015
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@Virginia F wrote:

@Mary W wrote:

Here is the pertinent language in the TOS:

Upwork merely makes the Site and Site Services available to enable Freelancers and Clients to find and transact directly with each other. Upwork does not introduce Freelancers to Clients, find Projects for Freelancers, or find Freelancers for Clients. Through the Site and Site Services, Freelancers may be notified of Clients that may be seeking the services they offer, and Clients may be notified of Freelancers that may offer the services they seek; at all times, however, Users are responsible for evaluating and determining the suitability of any Project, Client or Freelancer on their own. If Users decide to enter into a Service Contract, the Service Contract is directly between the Users and Upwork is not a party to that Service Contract.
You acknowledge, agree, and understand that Upwork is not a party to the relationship or any dealings between Client and Freelancer.
Yeah, that's what I always thought ... guess I was mistaken. Waiting with bated breath for a response from Upwork. Who knew there was so much subterfuge and sneakyness going on?

 I think it was Pat who once said that one should never attibute malice to anything that can be explained by simple incompetence. This is such a case. 

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Isabelle Anne A Member Since: May 19, 2014
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@Reinier B wrote:

 I think it was Pat who once said that one should never attibute malice to anything that can be explained by simple incompetence. This is such a case. 

Whenever Upwork's updates, features, bugs or practices like these come to light, I always wonder if they're the result of plain and simple stupidity or the scheme of someone who's set out to destroy the livelihoods of freelancers. I really can't tell anymore.

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Irene B Member Since: Feb 17, 2015
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'Tis called "The God Complex"

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Melissa C Member Since: Jul 22, 2017
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God Complex, indeed.

It's also really, really gross.

For real, Upwork?

Luckily, this year I've had a major uptick in interested clients who haven't found me here, so I don't send proposals often. But when I do find a job I like, I apply for it.

As another commenter mentioned, there has absolutely been a shift in the Upwork atmosphere within the past few months. I used to make a third of my freelancing income here. But for maybe five months, only about 15% of my income has been through this platform.

I still need Upwork, unfortunately, but it's this exact sort of thing that has me excited about the prospect of only picking up the occasional job here.

Your clients aren't happy and your freelancers aren't happy.

So… perhaps Upwork could--I don't know--STOP IT?

I think most clients would prefer to decide for themselves which freelancer is best suited for their job.

I know that I would prefer the client choose their own freelancers, using their free will, rather than some nebulous "talent specialist" that may not even be an actual human!

I certainly hope this gets sorted out asap because until it is, I'm not applying to any more jobs.

I don't post here often anymore but this is just so underhanded, especially when you're judging whether certain freelancers will get kicked off the platform for sending too many proposals all the while some algorithm or underpaid freelancer is trashing half or more of those proposals.

Just gross, Upwork.
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Baris A Member Since: Mar 15, 2017
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Virginia F Member Since: Feb 15, 2016
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@Baris A wrote:

You beat me to it, Baris ... was just going to post that "the silence is deafening". Would love to be a fly on the wall of the R & D room.
Maybe there is no R & D room ... but someone, somewhere, is making disastrous decisions affecting all who use this site. The clients who started this post are not coming back to this thread, for whatever reason ... but I'm glad they opened this can of worms, or we'd all still be in the dark.
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Baris A Member Since: Mar 15, 2017
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They have an R & D room?

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Kim F Member Since: Aug 26, 2015
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This may well explain why bids I have placed are more and more often not appearing in the range of bids listed. It's easy to tell because my bid is often the highest by far. The majority of bids I place are with newcomers which reduces the chance that they are archiving them.  I guess an untalented scout has decided I'm greedy...

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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
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@Kim F wrote:

  I guess an untalented scout has decided I'm greedy...

 Yup. Same here. The untalented scount (or UnSc) decided (it seems) that I am too expensive after the client and her team had reviewed my proposal and decided to hire me, but of course in the meantime the UnSc had swooped in and kicked my proposal to the curb.


Interestingly Upwork are happy to edit my posts, but reluctant to respond to the very valid points made in this thread. (Except for carefully worded generic "Now, now, children, all is well, there, have a lolly..." )


To be clear, I am NOT blaming the mods because they have been gagged by corporate and are allowed to only spin the party line.


But let's be equally clear:

  • **NO** - this hasn't "always" been the case (in fact mods have repeated over and over and over and over again that Upwork does NOT remove proposals from the client's view. So the "it hasn't changed" bit is an out and out untruth.
  • Upwork has no right to allow demonstrably incompetent (for the purposes of deciding if a proposal is a good fit in a category they know less than nothing about) entry level employees to remove the proposals submitted by long term, successful professionals (or anyone, for that matter...)
  • What about the fact that we are supposedly Upwork's customers, and what about the legally most questionable practice of taking money for proposals and then removing those very same proposals so the freelancer has to buy more, and all that without a word, sneakily, underhand?


Maybe this nonsense needs a satisfactory response sooner rather than later.


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Melanie H Member Since: Nov 2, 2017
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"Talent" specialists never think I'm greedy. They do, however, seem to assume I'm ready for a career change from writer to web developer, Facebook guru or skilled graphic artist. I'd say about 30-40% of my invitations are for literally none of my listed skills. 


I'm wating to be deemed a "perfect" fit for a client requesting a trapeze artist.