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Re: My proposals are archived!

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Ahmed F Member Since: Nov 26, 2018
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Phyllis G wrote:

Ahmed F wrote:

It just came to my knowledge that other than the "Archived" folder there is a folder called "Shortlisted" which Talent Specialists use to shortlist and recommend certain freelancers to the client!


 Ahmed, in the interest of documentation, would you please share how this came to your attention and other relevant specifics? E.g. does this happen only when the client requests TS assistance, or does it happen regardless of the client's wishes and/or knowledge?

thx


Hi Phyllis—I cannot provide further information on this matter since I am in the process of taking this to court. It is up to Upwork representatives to answer your questions. Thank you for understanding.

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Rene K Member Since: Jul 10, 2014
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Ahmed F wrote:

It just came to my knowledge that other than the "Archived" folder there is a folder called "Shortlisted" which Talent Specialists use to shortlist and recommend certain freelancers to the client!


There is, indeed, a Shortlisted folder along with the Archived folder. They have been here all the time. Clients can browse the applicants and shortlist or archive them. It's actually a very useful feature meant to help clients sort proposals.

 

Here are the available folders for a job posting on the client dashboard:

 

Folders.png

 

I know nothing about Talent Specialists activities other than what Upwork confessed, but it is possible, and actually very probable, that since they were archiving the proposals they thought were irrelevant, they were also shortlisting the ones they saw as good fits.

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Virginia F Member Since: Feb 15, 2016
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Rene K wrote:

Ahmed F wrote:

It just came to my knowledge that other than the "Archived" folder there is a folder called "Shortlisted" which Talent Specialists use to shortlist and recommend certain freelancers to the client!


There is, indeed, a Shortlisted folder along with the Archived folder. They have been here all the time. Clients can browse the applicants and shortlist or archive them. It's actually a very useful feature meant to help clients sort proposals.

 

Here are the available folders for a job posting on the client dashboard:

 

Folders.png

 

I know nothing about Talent Specialists activities other than what Upwork confessed, but it is possible, and actually very probable, that since they were archiving the proposals they thought were irrelevant, they were also shortlisting the ones they saw as good fits.


Thank you for sharing, Rene ... it's an eye opener for those of us who don't have client accounts. It's nice to think the "talent specialists" (who shall remain in quotes until our questions about them are answered) are choosing good fits ... but are they always? Not knowing how these decisions are made s___s.

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Rene K Member Since: Jul 10, 2014
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Wall, Upwork said that Talent Specialists are not archiving proposals anymore, so I guess that's a good thing. I know squat about lawsuits in the U.S., but if the TS interference is over, I'm fine.

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Ela K Member Since: Feb 9, 2015
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Rene K wrote:

Ahmed F wrote:

It just came to my knowledge that other than the "Archived" folder there is a folder called "Shortlisted" which Talent Specialists use to shortlist and recommend certain freelancers to the client!


There is, indeed, a Shortlisted folder along with the Archived folder. They have been here all the time. Clients can browse the applicants and shortlist or archive them. It's actually a very useful feature meant to help clients sort proposals.

 

Here are the available folders for a job posting on the client dashboard:

 

Folders.png

 

I know nothing about Talent Specialists activities other than what Upwork confessed, but it is possible, and actually very probable, that since they were archiving the proposals they thought were irrelevant, they were also shortlisting the ones they saw as good fits.


 

If you are a member of one of the Premium Programs, your designated Talent Agent (not specialist!) can/will shortlist your proposal if you inform them that you have applied for a certain job & send them the link to the posting. It's been like that for a while.

Being shortlisted has NEVER, not once, helped me in any way. Just saying.

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Ahmed F Member Since: Nov 26, 2018
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Ela K wrote:

Rene K wrote:

Ahmed F wrote:

It just came to my knowledge that other than the "Archived" folder there is a folder called "Shortlisted" which Talent Specialists use to shortlist and recommend certain freelancers to the client!


There is, indeed, a Shortlisted folder along with the Archived folder. They have been here all the time. Clients can browse the applicants and shortlist or archive them. It's actually a very useful feature meant to help clients sort proposals.

 

Here are the available folders for a job posting on the client dashboard:

 

Folders.png

 

I know nothing about Talent Specialists activities other than what Upwork confessed, but it is possible, and actually very probable, that since they were archiving the proposals they thought were irrelevant, they were also shortlisting the ones they saw as good fits.


 

If you are a member of one of the Premium Programs, your designated Talent Agent (not specialist!) can/will shortlist your proposal if you inform them that you have applied for a certain job & send them the link to the posting. It's been like that for a while.

Being shortlisted has NEVER, not once, helped me in any way. Just saying.


 Good to know!

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Ela K Member Since: Feb 9, 2015
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Petra R wrote:

Janean L wrote:

I had a fascinating (lengthy) conversation last night (note: just a conversation, not an official consultation) with a practicing attorney. (Ivy-League-educated; top-ten law school honors graduate; practices in a serious NYC firm.)

 

"I can pretty much guarantee you that behind closed doors, their attorneys' heads are exploding and they are screaming: 'NO! You CANNOT DO THIS! Like, What the (F)?!??!?'


 Funnily enough I was chatting (not consulting) with an old friend who is a lawyer (well, actually she is an ADA) in the USA about this nonsense last week and she said the same. 

 


Janean L wrote:

(Makes me wish for a response to the question of whether or not a new practice has replaced the now-discontinued practice of employees designated as Talent Specialists doing what they have termed archiving. That is: Is there a new practice that has replaced the now-discontinued practice of "archiving"?)


 Well, the lack of any answer to the direct and very easily answered question is an answer in itself.

Maybe the so-called TS don't archive anymore, and that job is given to an algorithm instead.

 

 


Well, if you go back to page 26 of this thread and read Maria T's last comment you'll have your answer right there. Yes, they are still making proposals less visible and labelling/marking them (wrongly) as 'unqualified".

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Sanja D Member Since: Dec 18, 2013
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Can someone from UW please answer:
Are those "Talent Specialists" involved in any way, shape or form without client specifically asking for their "help"?
if the answer is "yes" - then please explain how and to what extent. What exactly are they doing (archiving, re-arranging, suggesting) and what exactly are their qualifications - do they cover only one category, or  several categories?
Judging by invites I got from talent specialists - I don't think they're detail oriented - and sometimes it looked like they didn't even read my profile or job description....

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Wendy C Member Since: Aug 24, 2015
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Rene, thanks for the visual of the available folders for a job posting on the client dashboard.

 

I have to  wonder why U. mods failed to share something this basic nearly 30 pages ago ...

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Virginia F Member Since: Feb 15, 2016
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Wendy C wrote:

Rene, thanks for the visual of the available folders for a job posting on the client dashboard.

 

I have to  wonder why U. mods failed to share something this basic nearly 30 pages ago ...


Because they like keeping us in the darK? Because they don't care about our stress level? What I wonder about is the "All Proposals" folder. Doesn't all mean all?

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