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Sergio S Member Since: Dec 19, 2017
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I can't believe this! So there is indeed an algorithm saying who the best match is!

 

Just like Michael said, that is indeed worse than a TS. How the algorithm determines who the best is? Just because some freelancers have certain keywords in their profiles and others don't? Just because someone has 600 jobs done and another has 6? Can the algorithm reads proposals? Smiley LOL This is beyond words.

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Janean L Member Since: Apr 6, 2016
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Here's another point about the algorithms: Presumably, the algorithms take the profiles at face value. If (just for instance) a freelancer lists his or her English skills as "Native/Bilingual," then the algorithm would (presumably) make a "best match" assumption based on that assertion of English skill level as a fact. However, many of us have gritted our teeth and torn out clumps of hair as we read posts in these very forums, written by freelancers who claim to be "Native/Bilingual" speakers of English who (in point of fact) actually produce barely-intelligible Google-translated near-gibberish.

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Rene K Member Since: Jul 10, 2014
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Sergio S wrote:

I can't believe this! So there is indeed an algorithm saying who the best match is!


It's been there from the beginning. In my limited experience in hiring on UW, I don't remember having had much to complain about the sorting algorithm. I don't know how it works, but it is possible that it uses the JSS and the Clients who would recommend you metrics.  

 

What I don't understand is why some are presented with a different background:

 

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What are the exact criteria the algorithm uses to put the Best Match badge on the top left and what do colored backgrounds mean are unknowns.

 

Edit: this is an old job posting, the JSS levels that one can guess on this picture are as of today, not as of the date of posting. Since the job is closed, the list ordering is kinda frozen, but people's JSSes aren't

 

 

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Virginia F Member Since: Feb 15, 2016
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Rene K wrote:

Sergio S wrote:

I can't believe this! So there is indeed an algorithm saying who the best match is!


It's been there from the beginning. In my limited experience in hiring on UW, I don't remember having had much to complain about the sorting algorithm. I don't know how it works, but it is possible that it uses the JSS and the Clients who would recommend you metrics.  

 

What I don't understand is why some are presented with a different background:

 

What are the exact criteria the algorithm uses to put the Best Match badge on the top left and what do colored backgrounds mean are unknowns.

 

Edit: this is an old job posting, the JSS levels that one can guess on this picture are as of today, not as of the date of posting. Since the job is closed, the list ordering is kinda frozen, but people's JSSes aren't


Just like all the other questions posted to this thread, yet another one remains unanswered. Is this the end of this discussion?

 

Why the different background color? What is the criteria the algorithm uses for "best match". Rene is not the only one who wants to know.

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Valeria K Moderator Member Since: Mar 6, 2014
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Rene and others,

 

Green background means that the proposal is either new or has updates/messages that haven't yet been viewed by the client. Once you click on that proposal and view it, it'll have white background.


Proposals marked as Best Match are determined by the freelancers' Work History and profile. We won't be able to share more details about it as we would like to prevent abuse of this system. Thanks!

~ Valeria
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Nichola L Member Since: Mar 13, 2015
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Valeria K wrote:

Rene and others,

 

Green background means that the proposal is either new or has updates/messages that haven't yet been viewed by the client. Once you click on that proposal and view it, it'll have white background.


Proposals marked as Best Match are determined by the freelancers' Work History and profile. We won't be able to share more details about it as we would like to prevent abuse of this system. Thanks!



This is just not going to happen. If the algorithm can't even match freelancer to job feed how on earth is it (or the so-called "talent specialists") going to tell who is a best match or not - particularly for translation when the algorithm clearly cannot distinguish between language pairs such as French to English or English to French. I honestly cannot understand why Upwork does not improve the basics before embarking on this sort interference.  It is really unbelievable. 

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Virginia F Member Since: Feb 15, 2016
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Valeria K wrote:

Rene and others,

 

Green background means that the proposal is either new or has updates/messages that haven't yet been viewed by the client. Once you click on that proposal and view it, it'll have white background.


Proposals marked as Best Match are determined by the freelancers' Work History and profile. We won't be able to share more details about it as we would like to prevent abuse of this system. Thanks!


Considering the number of abuse issues we see daily in the forums, I'm guessing this isn't working well.

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Douglas Michael M Member Since: May 22, 2015
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Valeria K wrote:

Proposals marked as Best Match are determined by the freelancers' Work History and profile. We won't be able to share more details about it as we would like to prevent abuse of this system.


One might wish Upwork would fret less over abuse of this "system"—which to all appearances is no more than a totally inadequate word-matching routine—and focus more on its usefulness.

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Tiffany S Member Since: Jan 15, 2016
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Douglas Michael M wrote:

Valeria K wrote:

Proposals marked as Best Match are determined by the freelancers' Work History and profile. We won't be able to share more details about it as we would like to prevent abuse of this system.


One might wish Upwork would fret less over abuse of this "system"—which to all appearances is no more than a totally inadequate word-matching routine—and focus more on its usefulness.


Perhaps the oft-voiced concern over avoiding abuse is actually disguised concern that clients will find out just exactly how useless and/or counterproductive these systems are. 

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Md. Shahadat H Member Since: Jun 22, 2015
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I suspected this a long ago! This is exactly what I was telling to many people. I was wondeing, after having a stellar portfolio and profile ($200K+ earning) why I was not even getting responses from clients. I don't send canned proposal on ANY project I bid and my proposal writing quality is top notch (previously I used to get huge responses). 

 

Now I understand. This is sad, very sad.

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