My proposals are archived!

[Rene K]

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@Tanika T wrote:

is this happening with every project that some proposals are archived automatically?

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The answer to your question is in the post you linked.

[Virginia F]

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@Tanika T wrote:

i just came to know of this issue happening from another post where a client posted this? can anyone from upwork clarify if this is sorted ?

https://community.upwork.com/t5/Clients/My-proposals-are-archived/m-p/547356#M39060

is this happening with every project that some proposals are archived automatically?

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As Rene states - it's all there in that very long thread. If you're a client, chiming in on how this impacts your job posts (if it does) would be beneficial. The few clients who posted to that thread have not returned to comment, only us very upset freelancers.

[Mary W]

Here is the pertinent language in the TOS:

2.1 RELATIONSHIP WITH UPWORK

Upwork merely makes the Site and Site Services available to enable Freelancers and Clients to find and transact directly with each other. Upwork does not introduce Freelancers to Clients, find Projects for Freelancers, or find Freelancers for Clients. Through the Site and Site Services, Freelancers may be notified of Clients that may be seeking the services they offer, and Clients may be notified of Freelancers that may offer the services they seek; at all times, however, Users are responsible for evaluating and determining the suitability of any Project, Client or Freelancer on their own. If Users decide to enter into a Service Contract, the Service Contract is directly between the Users and Upwork is not a party to that Service Contract.

You acknowledge, agree, and understand that Upwork is not a party to the relationship or any dealings between Client and Freelancer.

[Wendy C]

So in other words Upwork is violating their own Terms of Service .... among all the other nefarious things revealed in this thread thanks to upset clients.  

Yes, we all know U can change their ToS at will ... but NOT after the fact.

[Tiffany S]

So really, the only reasonable response is for everyone to 100% stop wasting time submitting bids unless and until it can be demonstrated that clients are seeing every bid submittted.

[Sergio S]

Here another one who is discouraged and upset about these terrible news... Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse. So this is the holiday season present. Isn't it?

First it was the US/UK filter, now this... The worst part is that Lena said there wasn't any change. That means this has been happening for some time already and we found out by chance? That explains why it's so hard to find a job here even being an All-star game player.

Notice that one of the clients who posted here said the "talent specialist" was trashing valuable freelancers and leaving in bad ones! What kind of "help" is that? Upwork, you have been upsetting freelancers for quite a bit of time already, but now you are upsetting clients as well! If you continue with that policy, even violating your own ToS, I see a dark future for your company. Maybe that is what you want, maybe you are just tired of being a freelancers platform?

This has gone beyond the pale.

[Zoha U]

That explains why it's so hard to find a job here even being an All-star game player.

I'm seriously disappointed, my heart is almost sinking. And I agree with Lena, there is no change, they've been doing this for months. I could feel the change in Upwork. 

A lot of deserving candidates are just not even getting the chance while so many clients must have been compromising with the service received. 

We get ONLY 60 connects in a month which equals to 30 chances, we spend each of our connect carefully and only on jobs which we think we will do best at! Why should there be some "ELSE" making a guess at our inability to perform on a job? 

Upwork, I am seriously disappointed! 

[Virginia F]

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@Mary W wrote:

Here is the pertinent language in the TOS:

2.1 RELATIONSHIP WITH UPWORK

Upwork merely makes the Site and Site Services available to enable Freelancers and Clients to find and transact directly with each other. Upwork does not introduce Freelancers to Clients, find Projects for Freelancers, or find Freelancers for Clients. Through the Site and Site Services, Freelancers may be notified of Clients that may be seeking the services they offer, and Clients may be notified of Freelancers that may offer the services they seek; at all times, however, Users are responsible for evaluating and determining the suitability of any Project, Client or Freelancer on their own. If Users decide to enter into a Service Contract, the Service Contract is directly between the Users and Upwork is not a party to that Service Contract.

You acknowledge, agree, and understand that Upwork is not a party to the relationship or any dealings between Client and Freelancer.

Yeah, that's what I always thought ... guess I was mistaken. Waiting with bated breath for a response from Upwork. Who knew there was so much subterfuge and sneakyness going on?

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[Reinier B]

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@Virginia F wrote:

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@Mary W wrote:

Here is the pertinent language in the TOS:

2.1 RELATIONSHIP WITH UPWORK

Upwork merely makes the Site and Site Services available to enable Freelancers and Clients to find and transact directly with each other. Upwork does not introduce Freelancers to Clients, find Projects for Freelancers, or find Freelancers for Clients. Through the Site and Site Services, Freelancers may be notified of Clients that may be seeking the services they offer, and Clients may be notified of Freelancers that may offer the services they seek; at all times, however, Users are responsible for evaluating and determining the suitability of any Project, Client or Freelancer on their own. If Users decide to enter into a Service Contract, the Service Contract is directly between the Users and Upwork is not a party to that Service Contract.

You acknowledge, agree, and understand that Upwork is not a party to the relationship or any dealings between Client and Freelancer.

Yeah, that's what I always thought ... guess I was mistaken. Waiting with bated breath for a response from Upwork. Who knew there was so much subterfuge and sneakyness going on?

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 I think it was Pat who once said that one should never attibute malice to anything that can be explained by simple incompetence. This is such a case. 

[Isabelle Anne A]

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@Reinier B wrote:

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 I think it was Pat who once said that one should never attibute malice to anything that can be explained by simple incompetence. This is such a case. 

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Whenever Upwork's updates, features, bugs or practices like these come to light, I always wonder if they're the result of plain and simple stupidity or the scheme of someone who's set out to destroy the livelihoods of freelancers. I really can't tell anymore.