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My proposals are archived!

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Wendy C Member Since: Aug 24, 2015
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A thousand plus kudos to Ines H's words:

 

"Most people are questioning a Talent Spec's ability to judge a freelancer's skills, but what I'm curious about is the Talent Spec's ability to understand the client's project.

 

More often than not, clients don't know exactly what's required for their project - they know what their end goal is but don't know how to get there. That's what we have the interview phase for. I can't tell you how many times I applied for/won a gig where the entire project scope was changed (for the better) after the client and I discussed their project.

 

If these Talent Specialists don't even discuss the project with the client, how can they begin to understand what the client needs, and how can they even think about archiving a freelancer when they don't actually know whether the freelancer would be a good fit or not? [TSs obviously don't discuss the project with the clients - otherwise, we wouldn't have two clients in this thread completely unaware that their jobs were managed by a TS]

 

Upwork - just stick to the technicalities of your platform and stop interfering with our business! We are the specialists here, not you and your teams. If the client needs a "Talent Specialist", there are plenty of professional Recruiters and Project Managers (!) they can hire right here on Upwork."

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Virginia F Member Since: Feb 15, 2016
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An example of what we're all trying to say: https://community.upwork.com/t5/Freelancers/Opting-out-of-Talent-Specialist-invitations/m-p/548892#M...

 

This is not an isolated incident. Either train these "specialists" properly, or do away with this program.

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Mary W Member Since: Nov 10, 2014
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I seldom send proposals any more because most of the legal jobs posted are not consistent, legally or skill-wise, with me and what I can do.  But if I were more active right now, I would be LIVID to find that my proposal was archived.

 

I opted out of the TS program some time ago because the specialists clearly have no legal background and have no understanding what tasks I am legally able to perform.  Plus, while I can "draft" some documents, I cannot "draft" architectural plans and someone never understood the difference.

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Isabelle Anne A Member Since: May 19, 2014
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@Mary W wrote:

Plus, while I can "draft" some documents, I cannot "draft" architectural plans and someone never understood the difference.


Similarly, "someone" assumed that because I edit texts, I also do video editing Robot Indifferent

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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
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@Mary W wrote:

I seldom send proposals any more because most of the legal jobs posted are not consistent, legally or skill-wise, with me and what I can do.  But if I were more active right now, I would be LIVID to find that my proposal was archived.


 The nasty part is that you likely won't find out.

 

That said, I applied to a job some little while ago (because it was a perfect fit for me and I was a perfect fit for the job) and the client then sent me an invite to a different job, which I nearly declined without reading it, because it was for something else. She told me that I had applied to her other job (I did) and she wanted to hire me, but that she could not, for the life of her, find my proposal, and could not invite me either.


So I had to withdraw my proposal and apply again, just so she could hire me. Had she not been so persistent and searched for me specifically to invite me (for a different job, because the system did not allow her to invite me to the one I had already applied for) I'd have lost out. Client would have lost out.

 

I thought that was odd and it's been niggling at me ever since. Now I know why...

 

Clearly one of those so-called "Talent-Specialists" - who almost certainly haven't the faintest whiff of a clue what I do and who would be a good fit for that particular job, took my proposal and chucked it in the trash.

 

Obviously that so-called "Talent-Specialist" thought my proposal was not a good fit despite the fact that I have years and thousands of hours history successfully doing EXACTLY what the client wanted, a 100% JSS, top rated etc. Clearly the client thought I was the perfect fit, considering she went to the lengths she did to find me after my proposal inexplicably vanished?

 

The whole thing is so hare-brained it absolutely beggars belief.

 

How can one of those people POSSIBLY know what is needed in all the wildly different categories from design to translation to app development to coding to whatever. Know better than the client, better than the professionals who work with the clients?

 

THEY CAN NOT!

 

I fitted EVERY criteria.  The only reason I can think of is that I bid (and was subsequently hired at) significantly (70% +) above budget, but that should be no reason for those people to bin proposals. Upwork should be glad when freelancers make them more money!

 

And what about the Connects wasted when those clueless people thrash professionals' proposals?

What about the fact that Upwork sells us memberships and connects and then lets clueless entry level people throw our proposals in the trash?


You can not sell something  to us and then sneakily send in those people to cluelessly go forth and take it away.

 

How in the WORLD can Upwork think that is ok? HOW?

 

 

 

 

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Virginia F Member Since: Feb 15, 2016
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@Petra R wrote:

@Mary W wrote:

I seldom send proposals any more because most of the legal jobs posted are not consistent, legally or skill-wise, with me and what I can do.  But if I were more active right now, I would be LIVID to find that my proposal was archived.


 The nasty part is that you likely won't find out.

 

That said, I applied to a job some little while ago (because it was a perfect fit for me and I was a perfect fit for the job) and the client then sent me an invite to a different job, which I nearly declined without reading it, because it was for something else. She told me that I had applied to her other job (I did) and she wanted to hire me, but that she could not, for the life of her, find my proposal, and could not invite me either.


So I had to withdraw my proposal and apply again, just so she could hire me. Had she not been so persistent and searched for me specifically to invite me (for a different job, because the system did not allow her to invite me to the one I had already applied for) I'd have lost out. Client would have lost out.

 

I thought that was odd and it's been niggling at me ever since. Now I know why...

 

Clearly one of those so-called "Talent-Specialists" - who almost certainly haven't the faintest whiff of a clue what I do and who would be a good fit for that particular job, took my proposal and chucked it in the trash.

 

Obviously that so-called "Talent-Specialist" thought my proposal was not a good fit despite the fact that I have years and thousands of hours history successfully doing EXACTLY what the client wanted, a 100% JSS, top rated etc. Clearly the client thought I was the perfect fit, considering she went to the lengths she did to find me after my proposal inexplicably vanished?

 

The whole thing is so hare-brained it absolutely beggars belief.

 

How can one of those people POSSIBLY know what is needed in all the wildly different categories from design to translation to app development to coding to whatever. Know better than the client, better than the professionals who work with the clients?

 

THEY CAN NOT!

 

I fitted EVERY criteria.  The only reason I can think of is that I bid (and was subsequently hired at) significantly (70% +) above budget, but that should be no reason for those people to bin proposals. Upwork should be glad when freelancers make them more money!

 

And what about the Connects wasted when those clueless people thrash professionals' proposals?

What about the fact that Upwork sells us memberships and connects and then lets clueless entry level people throw our proposals in the trash?


You can not sell something  to us and then sneakily send in those people to cluelessly go forth and take it away.

 

How in the WORLD can Upwork think that is ok? HOW?

 

If this is what happened with that job, your bid, and that client, that's a bad story, Petra. I think there might be more crickets for awhile.

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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
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@Virginia F wrote:


If this is what happened with that job, your bid, and that client, that's a bad story, Petra. I think there might be more crickets for awhile.


 Well, it seems it happens to our proposals day in, day out.

 

The thought that those people, who would not understand the finer details of translation (or programming, or design, or legal whatsit, or whatever your area of expertise may be) if they jumped up and bit them, whoosh in and decide to take our proposals (which we spend time on, and some pay money for) and remove them is making me so incredibly angry, especially when clients have little or no clear idea that it is happening.

 

Those so-called talent specialists are no such thing. They are not specialists in what the hundreds of thousands of freelancers in all the many different categories do and what their clients need.

 

This is Upwork stealing our time ( the time it takes to apply) and our Connects and in the case of freelancers who pay, our money.

 

AGAIN: Upwork, you can not take our money with one hand and then send those (BEEPS) in to secretly remove our proposals with the other hand. That simply, absolutely, can must not happen. It is wrong. It is underhand, and I am pretty certain the legality of such a business practice could be seriously questioned.

 

At any rate it is a deliberate, sly, secretive, unfair, evil, flat-handed, hard, insulting  slap in the face of the freelancers.

 

If you want clients to receive less deadbeat proposals, kick all the deadbeats off the beeping site and be done with it already. Taking my careful proposals and flushing them down the toilet at the hands of someone who has no clue what my clients need is not the solution.

 

THIS is NOT the way to go about it.

 

I am so angry I am literally foaming at the mouth.

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Lambertus L Member Since: Jan 5, 2019
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I am so thoroughly demoralized after reading this thread. I've been trying to get my foot in the door with Upwork for the last 5 months and have only been able to leverage two jobs so far. I've tried everything recommended (hey, I'm sure if you checked my profile you could find room for improvement so feel free to shout out anything that I could improve).

 

I've written long cover letters, short cover letters, 100% custom cover letters, pro-forma cover letters, bid high, bid low, bid in the middle, limited myself to one or two thoughtful proposals a day, and even tried going with dozens of template proposals daily to the point where I felt I was spamming, I always attach relevant work samples, and I've edited my profile at least half a dozen times. Nothing seems to really work.

 

To hear that my proposals are likely being filtered without the client's consent or knowledge by someone with questionable qualifications makes me wonder why I'm bothering with this platform...

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Virginia F Member Since: Feb 15, 2016
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"If you want clients to receive less deadbeat proposals, kick all the deadbeats off the beeping site and be done with it already"

 

That pretty much sums it up. Even though UW says it's getting harder to have a profile approved, I don't believe it. All you have to do is read newbie forum posts to know that UW will take anyone.

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Kathy T Member Since: Jul 17, 2015
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@Virginia F wrote:

"If you want clients to receive less deadbeat proposals, kick all the deadbeats off the beeping site and be done with it already"

 

That pretty much sums it up. Even though UW says it's getting harder to have a profile approved, I don't believe it. All you have to do is read newbie forum posts to know that UW will take anyone.


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There's one OP, that I just replied to, (in the New to Upwork discussion section) who asks why can't I get a job. I looked at his profile, He has not a single word plus he has taken 2 tests with below average scores. yet he's able to send proposals. 

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