Nov 16, 2013 05:19:45 PMEditedOct 30, 2014 02:12:55 PMbyJon G
I would like to express that I am am new to oDesk, and before 3 days ago, it was awesome. Now, I do not know if it still is. This new MINIMUM RATE may be good for oDesk as a company because they will be getting more income with regards to the service they are rendering, but to my opinion, each employer here has his own mind, and we as employers do not need to be told on how much we pay for our employees. We are here to outsource, and that means, we need the cheapest but have the best quality of work, you might not get the two right away, but soon you will find the right person. For the employees, it is hard enough to get an interview and apply for a job here, picture this if you're a newbie or its your first few job, you spend hours doing all the test for credentials, then spend another number of hours of applying if not days, then you get an interview, agree to a rate of say $2/hr, then, oDesk says the rate must be $4/hr, now you go back to the employer that they need to raise your rate to $4 because oDesk will not let you. And after all emails/chats/calls to support, all else fails, what do you think will happen? Everybody loses. oDesk loses their 10% charge, employers loses their new employee, employee loses their employer and future income, OR the easiest thing could happen, everybody goes to another site like eLance. I want to express while this is still in testing mode.
To oDesk, please remember that you MAY be the best out there, but you are not the ONLY choice. I know I am not the only client too, and maybe you do not need my business, but it will be up to you to decide. Let us do our thing, and let the freelancers do their thing. Don't fix anything if its not broken.
Nov 17, 2013 09:07:57 AMEditedOct 30, 2014 04:09:26 PMbyDoreen M
Wake up - you are NOT an employer you are a client. We are not employees, we are small business owners just like you are.
Finally, I like everyone else here was new at one time and I guarantee you that I would NEVER accept a $2 rate.
Dec 15, 2013 06:38:00 PMEditedOct 30, 2014 04:30:41 PMbyBray R
calm down. Let me ask you a question. Who sets your hourly rate, on oDesk? If you think the answer is you - you're mistaken. This new 'test' removes the ability for a contractor, like you, to set your own rate. You may think you've set your rate, what you fail to understand then is this new 'test' enforces a minimum and maximum, that oDesk deems you are eligible to earn. End result - your attempts to set a price, for the market, are in fact manipulated by the service provider, and this is done without your knowledge.
If you think I'm wrong - please explain to me why some contractors who set their own rate, can negotiate directly with the hiring client, at a rate sometimes lower than their profile rate, yet other contractors cannot? Why does oDesk step in and enforce a rate higher than what the contractor may be willing to accept?
In doing so they're removing the contractors freedom, and ability to earn the contract.
This new test is an abysmal failure and reflects poorly on everyone involved. I hope they remove it in the soonest.
In terms of your comments about $2 rate - I don't note any suggestion that the original poster has demanded a $2 rate. My understanding is the complaint lies at the introduction of a 'test' from oDesk management, that is effectively over-riding contractors wishes and over-riding any agreement that the contractor may be willing to make with the hiring client around payment per hour.
If anyone out there is willing to accept $2 an hour for work, then they should be free to post that information on their profile, and seek work from willing bidders/hiring clients, accordingly. Who are you to call that out as an acceptable, or unacceptable rate? The rate sought or paid is not in question - it's the fact that the rate that is agreed between the two parties (contractor and client) is being over-ridden by a greedy management team in Redwood, CA.
Everyone on oDesk should be given the freedom to seek, earn, and pay whatever they feel comfortable with. Unfortunately this new 'test' has limited the freedom to do just that.
Nov 17, 2013 11:56:03 AMEditedOct 30, 2014 04:09:27 PMbyNatacha R
VA job and the lowest I could bid was $2.70 - $3 charged to the client and 0.01 per hour for 2 recruitment jobs. Does it depended on the type of job? There are so many saying they can't bid lower than $4. Not that this affects me in any way...just curious.
Edit: It's oDesk testing.
Nov 18, 2013 09:28:04 AMEditedOct 30, 2014 04:09:30 PMbyMaria F
I just love people who start huffing and puffing and threatening to go onto other platforms...because they are so clueless. ALL THE OTHER PLATFORMS have a lower limit on the budget. ALL OF THEM! The last one to implement it was vWorker and it happened 1.5 years ago. Which is why oDesk became "Bottom-Feeder Central". You still have a workaround - go fixed budget!
Nov 18, 2013 11:54:00 AMEditedOct 30, 2014 04:09:32 PMbyMike F
Typical example of my previous comment in another thread...cheap labor is exploited,plain and simple.As a company oDesk should set some standards in this respect,for example what is the average min wage for the U.S.?
Where I'm from it sits close to $11/hr..not unreasonable being that here...we're supposed to be treated as professionals.In the end you get what you pay for,you shouldn't expect great results from a dirt wage.
Nov 18, 2013 11:57:30 PMEditedOct 30, 2014 04:09:34 PMbyRobin C
[quote=Mike F]for example what is the average min wage for the U.S.?[/quote]
A minimum rate is not the same as a minimum wage.
Federal and local governments have to consider many things when setting a minimum wage, including what employers could reasonably afford to pay, taking into account all of their other expenses. Minimum wage law-makers also focus on keeping wages at a level that makes the area look appealing to business. We are not in an employer/employee situation, and oDesk is a business, not a governing body.
Fair trade, on the other hand, looks closer at the value the work has for the client/employer or whoever the work or goods are sold too, and puts very little focus on the minimum wage the local government sets for the people doing the work. In this way, these rates should obviously be much higher.
Nov 19, 2013 12:53:30 AMEditedOct 30, 2014 04:09:35 PMbyMarcia M
A rate that is low can attract people who want to save money. It can also give a signal that a product or service is shoddy, low value and could even be a scam.
On the other hand, while a high price will put some people off from buying, it can also attract customers who are looking for value. So you might get fewer customers, but you will get customers who spend more money.
Different companies choose different strategies.
Look at it this way. If your house had a leak, would you feel comfortable hiring a plumber who charged $5 an hour?
It's interesting that at the same time this rate testing is going on, oDesk is also testing money-back guarantees for some selected freelancers. It seems to me that oDesk is having trouble because it has developed an image as a haven for low-rate scammers.
Dec 15, 2013 06:28:00 PMEditedOct 30, 2014 04:30:39 PMbyBray R
couldn't agree more. oDesk is by definition a service allowing two parties to meet, communicate, negotiate, and agree either to work together, or not. The terms the contractor stipulates are either agreed to by the hiring client or there is no deal. The terms the hiring client stipulates, equally, have to be agreed to by the contractor or there is no deal. It's not rocket science.
If a contractor wants to accept $x per hour - and the hiring client agrees to pay it - then a deal is done. I think they call it 'willing buyer, willing seller' in the real world.
Where oDesk has miserably failed not only the current freelance community, the hiring clients too, is also themselves. The idea or notion that increasing minimum hire rates (outside of the contractors say so) would somehow suddenly increase their revenue is flawed. It's called socialism. Forcing terms on people that aren't wanted.
If you're a contractor who isn't earning enough - here's a suggestion - increase your asking rate. On the converse, if you're a contractor who's not getting enough work - perhaps a review to your rate is in line with the current market.
oDesk stepping in as a big brother attempting to 'test' the waters is losing clients, losing freelancers, losing goodwill, and overall is losing.
I trust the pencil pushers in Redwood will heed the results which I trust will be hopefully the opposite of what they wanted, and let the free market decide the terms of their respective agreements. If not - the free market goes elsewhere where unwritten rules aren't bundled in to unsuspecting contractors and clients alike.