Dec 16, 2013 01:17:09 AMEditedOct 30, 2014 04:30:43 PMbyKrisztina U
[quote=Bray R.]The idea or notion that increasing minimum hire rates (outside of the contractors say so) would somehow suddenly increase their revenue is flawed. It's called socialism. Forcing terms on people that aren't wanted.[/quote]
Socialism is when revenue generating contractors have to pay for the bottom feeding clients and contractors because there is no minimum in place. We all receive the same services and we all use the same infrastructure. The "market" has decided that the mininum site usage fee should be xx cents/hr to break even which is why all other portals have a minimum in effect (often times higher than oDesk's minimum). The free in free market does not mean "for free".
Dec 16, 2013 02:14:14 AMEditedOct 30, 2014 04:30:44 PMbyBray R
incorrect Krisztina. Forcing people to terms they neither want nor agree upon allows people to vote with their feet. oDesk introduce each party to each other, and the end result is they go elsewhere. oDesk isn't the only site out there, and a Freelance site isn't the only way to engage an agreement and transact business together. If oDesk truly needed these minimums to 'break even' they would a) enforce them upon every contractor ("you cannot sell your services for less than x per hour") which they don't - and b) they would be very transparent about it rather than hiding this 'test' behind a mask revealing it to clients at the very last minute (in the middle of making the offer!)
e.g. the present 'trial' works like this: (allow me to indulge in a flow of how things 'could' go)
contractor A joins oDesk stating their skills, and specifying their desired work rate
client joins oDesk looking for a contractor, finds contractor A, interviews them among others, but decides on contractor A.
they agree on terms and an offer is sent through the oDesk portal
alas - just when they both thought they had a deal - the client discovers the rate that they've mutually agreed was acceptable and fair is rebuffed by none other than oDesk - who parachutes in to tell them there's no deal because it's not at the minimum.
-- let's review -- contractor and client agree, go to do a deal, and get blocked as oDesk doesn't let them do it.
This is after all the work, time and energy has been spent between the two parties, establishing the relationship together.
Nowhere did oDesk state there were certain minimums that needed to be adhered to, only at the last minute is this news sprung on them.
You may choose to believe this is to allow oDesk to break even, I disagree wholeheartedly choosing to believe they're trying to force terms on people that may not be what is conducive to a working relationship, and the end result is both parties missing out, and likely going elsewhere. Not a threat - but a fact. I've seen contractors already leave, and I've seen colleagues of mine leave to go elsewhere where the 'free' market, means what it says.
Noone is advocating for free work. You're forgetting that the contractors CHOOSE to accept the rate they accept, and their choice is being over-ridden by oDesk. Clients too CHOOSE to offer and pay the rate they accept and their choice too is being over-ridden.
Your argument is nonsense in that this new 'trial/test' has differing minimum rates for some contractors. i.e. one could be $1.00 per hour minimum, another could be $5.00. There's no business sense here, and I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting this test to disappear as a complete failure on the part of oDesk.
We don't all receive the same services, and we don't all use the same infrastructure. We all use varying parts of it.
Dec 16, 2013 02:43:52 AMEditedOct 30, 2014 04:30:46 PMbyMarcia M
[quote=Bray R.]oDesk isn't the only site out there, and a Freelance site isn't the only way to engage an agreement and transact business together. [/quote]
As far as I know, all of the other main main freelance sites have minimum requirements.
Try hiring a freelancer directly in the brick and mortar world with an offer of $2 an hour. At least when you hire over the internet, you don't have to worry about someone throwing a heavy object in your face.
Dec 16, 2013 03:37:44 PMEditedOct 30, 2014 04:30:50 PMbyBray R
Everyone is using arbitrary hourly rates and attempting to smear this 'test' policy of oDesk. Let's leave the actual hourly rate to one side. Again the hourly rate has to be accepted by both parties, so there's no point discussing/debating here, on this thread whether a rate of $1 an hour, $10 an hour, $100 an hour is good, bad or indifferent. This thread is to discuss, from a Clients perspective what the 'test' minimum policy is yielding in actual results. I actually am a Client and a Contractor, so I think I can speak from both sides.
The point here is, and let me use a real example to illustrate: Contractor seeks $10 per hour. Client attempts to hire them negotiating the rate down to $7 per hour. Contractor agrees. Client makes offer through oDesk which then blocks the offer, stating the rate must be $8.33 or higher. Contractor and Client don't engage, both miss out, as does oDesk. Contractor tries to 'lower' their rate to earn more work. Cannot. Is blocked by accepting work less than what they're willing to earn.
Don't get caught up in the 'rate' - the issue is the agreement reached between Contractor and Client is being over-ridden by oDesk. The purpose of oDesk is to bring two parties together upon their OWN mutually agreed terms. oDesk is now stepping in and dictating what they should be.
Bad for business? Yes of course it is.
Do other sites have minimums? Some do. They advertise/disclose them upfront. Noone is in the dark. Both the Contractor is advised they can't "ask for" less than a set rate, and the Clients see this too.
But oDesk, and other sites potentially are missing the point. They bring two people together. Where they then begin to interfere negatively with those two doing business together, they're driving or encouraging those two to think outside the square and do business elsewhere. Last I checked Paypal didn't mandate how much or how little you should pay to someone, nor do they dictate to you what you should request.
It'd be like someone on eBay selling a computer. Let's say they're happy to sell it for $100. Someone offers them $80. They accept it. The buyer goes to buy it - and then eBay swoop in and say "Hold on a minute - you can't buy this item for less than $90". What? eBay is simply the happy medium in the middle taking a cut of WHATEVER the agreed price is - the agreed price being the price that buyer and seller agree on.
Anyway - oDesk have done themselves a disservice, and I hope they reconsider their decision ASAP.
Dec 16, 2013 12:45:00 PMEditedOct 30, 2014 04:30:48 PMbyAlexander N
It's almost funny to see, that most of complains about new testing rate come from people with absolutely blank profiles. I bet someone is really ticked-off that slave-labor just got one step further away.
Dec 18, 2013 08:29:00 AMEditedOct 30, 2014 04:30:51 PMbyBrittney M
As most of you, I have a budgeted amount for HR/Labor costs. I came to Odesk and I interviewed a GREAT candidate. Took a LOT of time, as I believe in hiring slowly, firing fast. Anyhow, Went through all the trouble, only to learn that the rate we had agreed upon, Odesk would not allow. Sad to say, I had to retract my offer and have had to offer to another candidate. I'm happy with my choice, but hate that he, as a contractor, is losing out on god only knows HOW MANY opportunities because of this test.
Dec 19, 2013 03:55:51 AMEditedOct 30, 2014 04:30:53 PMbyFiona M
I see why it's annoying for clients to be advised what minimum rates they can pay - as mentioned, you can discuss the rate with the contractor and, if both parties are happy, there's no problem.
From a contractor's point of view though, I wonder if Odesk has been implementing this policy because they have earned a reputation amongst freelancers as having mostly low-rate, rubbish jobs.
Perhaps they are battling to maintain the better freelancers looking for better paid work?
Personally, whilst I do still look for work on Odesk, I concentrate on Elance because the job offers are better.
I do think, there needs to be some kind of line drawn in terms of minimums though.