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Re: The hiring process is broken.

natacharodriguez
Community Guru
Natacha R Member Since: Aug 2, 2010
31 of 39

@Wendy C wrote:

Keep a list of those who did excellent work (refer back to your eLance files if need be) and send them private invites to jobs prior to posting them for general distribution.  Providers that worked with you in the past are those most likey to respond favorably to a new invite. 


 This is available for Elance clients, under contracts they can see all their Elance freelancers.

wendy_writes
Community Guru
Wendy C Member Since: Aug 24, 2015
32 of 39

Good to know, Natasha.

g_holstein
Community Leader
Gerald H Member Since: Jun 16, 2016
33 of 39

@Wendy C wrote:

... while all I could do was laugh when reading the astute critique of the logo ...

 

 

What else can you do? I surely won't weep over this. Imho this occurs, when you have a big merger ahead, a million things in mind, and the logo of the new company is just one of them. Which it shouldn't be. But this is off-topic here. I was merely reacting to Jeffrey's advice to better build everything new from scratch. Just couldn't resist. 

 

natacharodriguez
Community Guru
Natacha R Member Since: Aug 2, 2010
34 of 39

People can interpret things how they want to. Do you remember when Airbnb launched their new logo?

g_holstein
Community Leader
Gerald H Member Since: Jun 16, 2016
35 of 39

@Natasha R wrote:

People can interpret things how they want to. Do you remember when Airbnb launched their new logo?


 Sure, these things are always wide open to interpretation. And this is very good in my opinion. And nothing is ALL good or ALL bad. I don't pretend to know all about it or even that my opinion matters. But for me the upwork logo is bad, it just symbolizes what I observe here. Everybody wants up and is led down. Just my opinion. But again, for many users, Upwork seems to work just fine, so maybe the logo was designed with a special purpose that I don´t know about.. And I have just researched the Airbnb logo and I find it PERFEKT for their business model. But as you so rightfully say: everybody can interpret these things how they want to. I don't know about Airbnb, but judging from their logo they must be doing great, I guess. 

2003a0d2
Active Member
Ugo V Member Since: Feb 23, 2021
36 of 39

Unfortunately there aren't decent competitors, that's the only Upwork's strenght, which they leverage to the tilt! ...I am SOOOO looking forward for a decent competitor to appear, I'll last 2 hours on Upwork.

Just to summarize the ones we used: Toptal it's an empty promise, we found there at least 30% developers also active on other platforms, only at three times the hourly rate! Freelancers is like Upwork only cahotic, it seems impossible but with an even worse chat UX, again, at least 70% developers are the same people we keep encountering accross platforms. We also use a lot of specialised directories but I wouldn't mention them as they are very niche. Good news for everyone, where we abandoned LinedIn for hiring (horribly exploitative) we're sourcing very good freelancers cleverly navigating FaceBook groups...and I'll stop there otherwise the moderator will moderate me out...

perfectlygrand
Active Member
Charles F Member Since: Feb 23, 2021
37 of 39

Thank you Mark. I totally agree - we haven't spent as much as you, but quite a lot for us. The same thing happened when we interviewed for new DEVs. I said no agencies - yet there they were applying. The agencies were present when I was looking for candidates to invite even though I said no agencies. Same thing with requiring 90% and above. Same thing with people that had no percentage rating - only to find that they had received 5 stars by delving into their background.

Upwork - you need to listen to the clients.

 

Charles

bstojadinovic
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Bojan S Moderator Member Since: Mar 9, 2018
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Thank you for sharing your valuable feedback with us, Charles. I'll be sure to share this with our team. 

~ Bojan
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2003a0d2
Active Member
Ugo V Member Since: Feb 23, 2021
39 of 39

We've been in Upwork 7 years (even before it was Upwork) with several accounts and we certainly spent more than several hundred $k on it. So, as a fellow 'veteran' I subscribe to each and every item in Mark's list...and that's only about the list of candidates!
We've been discussing with Upwork representatives a lot, over the years and our bottom line is that the very few (comparatively few) professional clients are not a priority for Upwork. Although we bring substantial 'by account' fee stream, we are nengligible to the whole cashflow. Webflow makes money matching MASSES of incompetent clients with MASSES of incompetent freelancers, that's their core business. Once you see things from this vantage point all the issues you raised make perfect sense: the more the merrier! Statistically, when one doesn't know exactly what she's looking for a big number of applicant increases the chances they'll find her.  

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