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This Techno Neanderthal Needs your Help

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David G Member Since: Jun 19, 2018
1 of 23

Actually, I am not new to Upwork, but given my deficient computer skills, and lack of knowledge regarding basic functions on Upwork, I might as well say I am new.

 

I will be VERY APPRECIATIVE if someone were to respond to these questions::

 

1)  I want to send e mails to various freelancers.  But I find I only have the option of either inviting them to consider my project or hiring them for my project.   Where can I find a button or icon to click to send the freelancer a message.

 

2) I have a job posted on here.  If I recall corrrectly, it is entitled "Web advisor and Guru"  (The use of the word Guru was intended to provide a little levity).  I have only gotten 1 response.  Please give me constructive criticism, tell me why my ad might dissuade people from applying, tell me if I make assertions which are off-putting or disturbing.  Please be honest and blunt -- but please refrain from gratuitous mockery or derision.   

 

I thank you for your response

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Rene K Member Since: Jul 10, 2014
2 of 23


> 1)  I want to send e mails to various freelancers.  But I find I only have the option of either inviting them to consider my project or hiring them for my project.   Where can I find a button or icon to click to send the freelancer a message.

 

The only way of doing this is to invite specific freelancers to send a proposal to one of your job postings. Once they do that, you can open a messaging channel with each of them.

 

> 2) I have a job posted on here.  If I recall corrrectly, it is entitled "Web advisor and Guru"  (The use of the word Guru was intended to provide a little levity).  I have only gotten 1 response.  Please give me constructive criticism, tell me why my ad might dissuade people from applying, tell me if I make assertions which are off-putting or disturbing.  Please be honest and blunt -- but please refrain from gratuitous mockery or derision.   

 

This community has no access to your job posting and linking to it here is not allowed. As a consequence you may want to spend some time and read the clients section of this message:

 

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Preston H Member Since: Nov 24, 2014
3 of 23

re: "I have a job posted on here. If I recall corrrectly, it is entitled 'Web advisor and Guru'"

 

David:

I actually think that the title is okay. I would not find it off-putting.

 

Here are some things to check:

- Did you make sure that you posted the job as an hourly contract (not fixed-price)?

- Did you use the words "consultation" or "consultant"?

- Did you specifically mention that at this stage you are just trying to get some ideas and you want to talk to a few different people for a short period of time?

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Preston H Member Since: Nov 24, 2014
4 of 23

re: "I want to send e mails to various freelancers. But I find I only have the option of either inviting them to consider my project or hiring them for my project. Where can I find a button or icon to click to send the freelancer a message."

 

As Rene described, it is very easy for you to accomplish your goals using Upwork.

 

Just post a job and either let freelancers apply to it, or you can send out invitations to freelancers of your choice.

 

One a freelancer sends a proposal or replies to your invite, there are no limits on how much you can communicate with her. You may continue to use Upwork messenger, or email, or Skype, or whatever form of communication you want to use.

 

Posting a job does NOT cost anything and it does NOT commit you to actually hiring any body.

 

Obviously, because you're are a responsible professional, you'll use the "Hire" button to put any freelancer under contract who starts working for you, either by doing hands-on work or by providing information to you in a consultative basis via whatever form of communication you choose.

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David G Member Since: Jun 19, 2018
5 of 23

I thank you very much for your help.

 

I don't want to impose, and if this is too much to ask just ignore this, but I want to know what might be wrong with my ad.  Please don't be afraid to hurt my feelings.  People appear to avoid it like the plague.  Accordingly, I will post the ad in this reply:

 

Job details

**Edited for Community Guidelines**

 

 
I want to hire someone who can teach me how to

A) Create videos (Yes, I know this is pretty basic);

B)  Help me get the greatest number of hits for these videos; and

C) Teach me how to manage my material on the web sites where these videos are posted

WHAT I AM DOING:  At the risk of sounding grandiose, I want to publicize and disseminate ideas which I think are provocative, deviate dramatically from social and political norms and really delver some punch.  These ideas are expressed in essays I have written.  (Yes, I know the idea of reading essays sounds dull, but keep reading)

Since a constant drumbeat of ideas might be intellectually taxing, I offer a change  of pace  with what might be called "the urbane man's rap."  These are highly rhythmic, rhyming poems which take shots at various sacred cows.  

I am not asking for your advice as to what messages I will convey.  I know exactly what I want to convey; I just don't know how to use the myriad tools of digital persuasion.

WHAT I SEEK IN SOMEONE I MIGHT HIRE:  Above all, I value intelligence and honesty.  Please don't tell me you know how to do something if you don't know how to do it.   Don't be afraid to say that you don't know how to do something; hell, I am a complete and total Neanderthal in this digital world. 

You should be well versed in making videos and the more difficult task of creating a buzz and the excitement which might yield many visits to my sites.  I want to maximize the number of hits my stuff gets. 

Also, please have good communication skills.  I understand things best when they are clearly explained in English.  I am not a visual person. 

To WIN ME OVER:  Give me examples of projects, you came up with or administered, in which a web site, which had only gotten one hundred hits, soon got 500,000 hits.  Okay, maybe half a million is a fanciful dream, but the idea is to push that number up as high as possible
  • Less than 30 hrs/weekHourly
  • 1 to 3 monthsProject Length
  • IntermediateI am looking for a mix of experience and value
  • Project Type:Ongoing project

You will be asked to answer the following questions when submitting a proposal:

  1. Have you taken any Upwork tests and done well on them that you think are relevant to this job?
  2. Do you have any degrees or certifications which might be relevant to this job

Skills and expertiseEnglish Search Engine Optimization (SEO) Website Development

Preferred qualifications
  • Job Success Score: At least 90%
  • Include Rising Talent: Yes
  • English level:  Fluent
  • Upwork hours:  At least 1 hour
  • Location: Eastern Time Zone
Activity on this job
  • Proposals:  Less than 5
  • Last viewed by client:  19 hours ago
  • Interviewing: 0
  • Invites sent: 4
  • Unanswered invites: 1

 

 

Community Guru
Kholleras I Member Since: Nov 24, 2015
6 of 23

I would avoid the term "guru." Some people associate it with cheap, demanding clients. "Expert" is a good alternative.

 

Better yet, make sure you choose the appropriate skill level and describe your job and budget in a way that will attract whomever you consider to be a "guru." In most cases, avoid fancy, humorous, or ambiguous wording or slang in your job posts because you never know how it will be interpreted.

Community Guru
Phyllis G Member Since: Sep 8, 2016
7 of 23

What Heaven said. I am 99% certain to ignore/decline posts that include any of the following: guru, rock star, ninja. Just tell me what you need and what budget ballpark you're in, and I can tell whether or not it's worthwhile for us to have a conversation. (I'm in a different field, but I think the general principle holds.)

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David G Member Since: Jun 19, 2018
8 of 23

Dear Phyllis G:

 

I thank you for your wise comments.

 

I fear that there must be many flaws in my ad.  I beseech someone to please tell me what dissaudes people from responding to this ad.  I am tendering a copy of the ad to you.  If this is too much to ask, feel free to ignore this request.  If you do respond, please be blunt and honest in your criticism:

 

Job details

  1. **Edited for Community Guidelines**

 
I want to hire someone who can teach me how to

A) Create videos (Yes, I know this is pretty basic);

B)  Help me get the greatest number of hits for these videos; and

C) Teach me how to manage my material on the web sites where these videos are posted

WHAT I AM DOING:  At the risk of sounding grandiose, I want to publicize and disseminate ideas which I think are provocative, deviate dramatically from social and political norms and really delver some punch.  These ideas are expressed in essays I have written.  (Yes, I know the idea of reading essays sounds dull, but keep reading)

Since a constant drumbeat of ideas might be intellectually taxing, I offer a change  of pace  with what might be called "the urbane man's rap."  These are highly rhythmic, rhyming poems which take shots at various sacred cows.  

I am not asking for your advice as to what messages I will convey.  I know exactly what I want to convey; I just don't know how to use the myriad tools of digital persuasion.

WHAT I SEEK IN SOMEONE I MIGHT HIRE:  Above all, I value intelligence and honesty.  Please don't tell me you know how to do something if you don't know how to do it.   Don't be afraid to say that you don't know how to do something; hell, I am a complete and total Neanderthal in this digital world. 

You should be well versed in making videos and the more difficult task of creating a buzz and the excitement which might yield many visits to my sites.  I want to maximize the number of hits my stuff gets. 

Also, please have good communication skills.  I understand things best when they are clearly explained in English.  I am not a visual person. 

To WIN ME OVER:  Give me examples of projects, you came up with or administered, in which a web site, which had only gotten one hundred hits, soon got 500,000 hits.  Okay, maybe half a million is a fanciful dream, but the idea is to push that number up as high as possible
  • Less than 30 hrs/weekHourly
  • 1 to 3 monthsProject Length
  • IntermediateI am looking for a mix of experience and value
  • Project Type:Ongoing project

You will be asked to answer the following questions when submitting a proposal:

  1. Have you taken any Upwork tests and done well on them that you think are relevant to this job?
  2. Do you have any degrees or certifications which might be relevant to this job

Skills and expertiseEnglish Search Engine Optimization (SEO) Website Development

Preferred qualifications
  • Job Success Score: At least 90%
  • Include Rising Talent: Yes
  • English level:  Fluent
  • Upwork hours:  At least 1 hour
  • Location: Eastern Time Zone
Activity on this job
  • Proposals:  Less than 5
  • Last viewed by client:  19 hours ago
  • Interviewing: 0
  • Invites sent: 4
  • Unanswered invites: 1
Community Guru
Kholleras I Member Since: Nov 24, 2015
9 of 23

The ad is too long. Don't go into detail about your vision for the video content. Just explain how you want to be taught to make videos (screenshare? written tutorials? etc.) and roughly what level you are at (complete beginner, etc.).

 

And I agree with Preston: you should hire two or three people instead of one, probably not all at the same time. You should probably learn how to make the videos before you try to promote them.

Active Member
David G Member Since: Jun 19, 2018
10 of 23

Dear Heaven H,

 

Your advice seems really good.

 

Thank you.

 

 

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