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09d01550
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Withdrawn by freelancer???

What does, "withdrawn by freelancer" mean? 

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samrat3
Community Member

Hi Rodney,

 

It means that the freelancer has withdrawn his proposal. There might be several reasons such has he might have applied by mistake, Rate too low, too busy with other projects and not available for new project, unresponsive clients etc.

9b6b28a1
Community Member

It shows withdrawn by freelancer, but seems he did not

perhaps he is new in navegating upwork. 

how to bringing back. 

just spoke on whatsap with freelancer and he has no clues why it happened

 

lysis10
Community Member


@Max L wrote:

It shows withdrawn by freelancer, but seems he did not

perhaps he is new in navegating upwork. 

how to bringing back. 

just spoke on whatsap with freelancer and he has no clues why it happened

 


 Proposals are withdrawn by Upwork when the freelancer is suspended, so avoid avoid avoid.

11b4a99f
Community Member

How do we know/differenciate whether the freelancers application has been withdrawn by upwork or withdrawn by the freelancer ? 

Levi, if a freelancer withdraws his/her proposal a reason must be given. Both the freelncer and the client will see the reason why on the notification.

FYI:  A good percentage of Freelancers leave reason blank (no explanation).


Alan B wrote:

FYI:  A good percentage of Freelancers leave reason blank (no explanation).


Go to all Jobs> Click on the Job >Review Proposals>Archieved

 

There You will see Proposals withdrawn By Freelancer (happens when withdrawn by Freelancer or if the freelancer is suspended etc) and Declined Propsals (This is done by clients)

 

Click on the propsal You want to see the reason for and on very top You will see something like thisupwork cancelled.PNG

or ThisWITHDRAWN PROPOSAL.PNG

You can see the reasons provided in images.

I do not know if it is possible for a freelancer to withdraw a proposal without providing any reason. I have not paid much attention to it and may be am missing some of the blank (no reason given) withdrawl of application.

But if they do It just means that  they do not want to work for the project for no reason at all or they just do not want to state a reason.

They do not want to work on it is in itself a very valid reason.

Client can concentrate on the other freelancers who are interested to work on their project.


Vivek K wrote:

I do not know if it is possible for a freelancer to withdraw a proposal without providing any reason. I have not paid much attention to it and may be am missing some of the blank (no reason given) withdrawl of application.

But if they do It just means that  they do not want to work for the project for no reason at all or they just do not want to state a reason.

They do not want to work on it is in itself a very valid reason.

Client can concentrate on the other freelancers who are interested to work on their project.


A few months ago Upwork withdraw all my proposals for jobs I was invited to. Since they were all invites I was able to reach out to some clients and got some of the jobs. I never received an explination about why the system had withdrawn all my proposals.


Jennifer R wrote:


A few months ago Upwork withdraw all my proposals for jobs I was invited to. Since they were all invites I was able to reach out to some clients and got some of the jobs. I never received an explination about why the system had withdrawn all my proposals.


That's Sad. I was of the assumption that either the Freelancer withdraws the offer on their own or upwork does it if the freelancers gets suspended from upwork for any reason.

 

There is a whole thread about Upwork's talent specialists archiving proposals. And now this experience of yours for invite only Jobs. I am at a  loss to understand as to what does upwork want to achieve by all this.


Jennifer R wrote:

 

A few months ago Upwork withdraw all my proposals for jobs I was invited to. Since they were all invites I was able to reach out to some clients and got some of the jobs. I never received an explination about why the system had withdrawn all my proposals.

@Jennifer... As an Employer... I feel for you as a Freelancer... and am quite dismayed to learn of this kind of stealth business practice.

I have actually FIRED Upwork twice (2x)... but have recently returned after tiring of Fiverr's adolescent communication limitations with Freelancers. Currently, I am well pleased with the high quality of service that Upwork Support has provided over the past (6) months... a significant improvement.

 

I would ENCOURAGE you to press Upwork to discover and identify what issue they were concerned about... and to be fully transparent and forthcoming with both Freelancers and Employers so that issues may be intelligently, efficiently, and justly resolved vs. NO COMMUNICATION... NO DISCLOSURE... NO EXPLANATION... NO OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT POTENTIAL MISUNDERSTANDINGS.

 

I hope this proves helpful.

 

~ Alan

mtngigi
Community Member


Alan B wrote:

Jennifer R wrote:

 

A few months ago Upwork withdraw all my proposals for jobs I was invited to. Since they were all invites I was able to reach out to some clients and got some of the jobs. I never received an explination about why the system had withdrawn all my proposals.

@Jennifer... As an Employer... I feel for you as a Freelancer... and am quite dismayed to learn of this kind of stealth business practice.

I have actually FIRED Upwork twice (2x)... but have recently returned after tiring of Fiverr's adolescent communication limitations with Freelancers. Currently, I am well pleased with the high quality of service that Upwork Support has provided over the past (6) months... a significant improvement.

 

I would ENCOURAGE you to press Upwork to discover and identify what issue they were concerned about... and to be fully transparent and forthcoming with both Freelancers and Employers so that issues may be intelligently, efficiently, and justly resolved vs. NO COMMUNICATION... NO DISCLOSURE... NO EXPLANATION... NO OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT POTENTIAL MISUNDERSTANDINGS.

 

I hope this proves helpful.

 

~ Alan


**Edited for Community Guidelines**

 

"Pressing" Upwork yields litte results for freelancers - we are kept in the dark about many things and have learned to live with that business modei.

ea088ce1
Community Member


Virginia F wrote:

 

**Edited for Community Guidelines**

 

"Pressing" Upwork yields litte results for freelancers - we are kept in the dark about many things and have learned to live with that business modei.


 

Thank you for the heads-up, Virginia.

This is an UNACCEPTABLE business practice.

If this should ever be imposed upon my business by Upwork... it shall be our LAST transaction.

 

Positively,
~ Alan

Hi All,

 

I'd like to clarify that proposals aren't withdrawn automatically anymore when a freelancer is asked to verify their identity via a video call or by submitting required documents. Proposals are only withdrawn automatically when a freelancer is suspended. Similarly, the freelancer can continue working on their active contracts even if they've been requested to verify their identity and even with certain types of suspensions. 

~ Valeria
Upwork


Valeria K wrote:

Hi All,

 

I'd like to clarify that proposals aren't withdrawn automatically anymore when a freelancer is asked to verify their identity via a video call or by submitting required documents. Proposals are only withdrawn automatically when a freelancer is suspended. Similarly, the freelancer can continue working on their active contracts even if they've been requested to verify their identity and even with certain types of suspensions. 


 

Hello, Valeria:

 

Happy to hear. Hope this is judiciously implemented to all partys' benefit.

Thank you,

~ Alan


Valeria K wrote:

Hi All,

 

I'd like to clarify that proposals aren't withdrawn automatically anymore when a freelancer is asked to verify their identity via a video call or by submitting required documents. Proposals are only withdrawn automatically when a freelancer is suspended. Similarly, the freelancer can continue working on their active contracts even if they've been requested to verify their identity and even with certain types of suspensions. 


How nice to hear they've stopped doing that ... so apologies. What would be really nice is if UW could figure out a way to notify all users of these changes. There are many of us who rarely look at "Official Upwork/Announcements.

1c4b4157
Community Member

Hello everyone,

 

I am new to Upwork and have received a dozen proposals for the job I posted a week ago. Truth be told, I took my time to review them, the freelancers´profiles, etc. I am now in the process of arranging interviews. Much to my surprise, one of the freelancers I wanted to add to my short list has withdrawn from the process, writing "unresponsive client". I came accross the information by chance and have not received any notification.  Is this going to affect in anyway my ability to work with Upwork and leverage the talents available?

Many thanks in advance for your response.

Anne

Hi Anne,

 

The only way that this will affect you is that you won't be able to accept the proposals or hire the Freelancer on the same job post. You`re more than welcomed to start your interviews with your shortlisted Freelancers. To learn more about Upwork check out our Client Tutorial Videos
If you have any additional questions, let me know. Thank you.

~ Goran
Upwork

There You will see Proposals withdrawn By Freelancer (happens when withdrawn by Freelancer or if the freelancer is suspended etc)

 

Is this still true... or does it also mean that Freelancers have declined a Client INVITATION?

 

THX.  ~ Alan

Hi Alan,

 

Proposals withdrawn by freelancers and declined invitations are not the same thing. In order to submit a proposal in the first place, the freelancer would need to accept the invitation.

After the invitation is accepted and they have submitted a proposal they still have the ability to withdraw. Similarly, if they decline an invitation they lose the ability to submit a proposal as an invited freelancer.

 

~Andrea
Upwork
ea088ce1
Community Member

Thank you for a reply, Andrea.

 

**Edited for community guidelines**

 

I have 49 Proposals withdrawn by Freelancers NONE of which have submitted a response or proposal.

2 withdrawals displayed within 2-minutes of sending them an invitation.

 

HOW to explain this??? LOL.

petra_r
Community Member


Alan B wrote:

I have 49 Proposals withdrawn by Freelancers NONE of which have submitted a response or proposal.

2 withdrawals displayed within 2-minutes of sending them an invitation.

HOW to explain this??? LOL.


Maybe those people very unwisely accepted one of the many dozens of invites or submitted a proposal before taking a closer look, and upon taking a closer look, they decided that they would not be interested in going forward given the multiple red flags on the job post, and withdrew their proposals.

ea088ce1
Community Member

Hi, Petra R. ... thanks for a response.

 

Nope... I did not receive any response from those who have WITHDRAWN.  😉

petra_r
Community Member


Alan B wrote:

I did not receive any response from those who have WITHDRAWN.  😉


When people withdraw you no longer see their response.

Given the job post, it is actually surprising you got any response at all.

ea088ce1
Community Member

Hello, Petra R.

 

Job Post has received plenty of responses... but none qualified... all have ignored SCOPE.

 

From my point of view at age 68, having landed 5-figure contract jobs in Silicon Valley to the computer and chip industry...

 

- Proposals are one of the most vital parts of landing projects.

- Attention to detail is crucial.

- Using templates are quick and easy (lazy) for Freelancers, but clearly demonstrates no specific understanding of Client needs or project scope.

 

 

Given the job post, it is actually surprising you got any response at all.

 

- What specifically would cause you say this?

- How would you effectually improve the Job Post?

 

Thank you, much  🙂

petra_r
Community Member


Alan B wrote:

Given the job post, it is actually surprising you got any response at all.

 

- What specifically would cause you say this?


I answered that in response to your other post

 


Alan B wrote:

Job Post has received plenty of responses... but none qualified... all have ignored SCOPE


It's attracting the wrong kind of freelancers, because the right kind are likely put off by it. Just way too many red flags.

 


Alan B wrote:

- How would you effectually improve the Job Post?


I see you have already removed one of the red flags (Starting a job post with insults hurled at the target audience in capital letters). That's a good start.

 

I'd scrap the whole job post and start again:

 

  • Without the SHOUTING (capital letters), without referring to yourself as an employer, in a FAR more friendly, professional tone (imagine you are trying to attract your peers, not bottom of the barrel underlings you can talk down to). It's better than it was yesterday though.
  • Scrap most of the questions. Time is money. Valuable freelancers don't waste theirs writing essays for free.
  • Cut the job post in half or more. Most of the stuff should be discussed at interview or is irrelevant for the hiring process
  • Set the budget as what you are really willing to spend and then be specific. Don't set a "bait-and-switch" budget which not only looks unrealistic, given that it is massively in excess of what you've spent on Upwork across all your previous contracts, but which you then explain to basically mean $10 per approved targeted ranking... 
  • Don't invite over 100 freelancers. Good freelancers take that as a huge red flag and will be even less willing to sink any significant time into a convoluted proposal process. 

That would go a long way, there is currently simply too much stuff that is a huge turn-off.

 

 

 

re: “Scrap most of the questions. Time is money. Valuable freelancers don't waste theirs writing essays for free.”

 

This is great advice.

 

When I post jobs, I often do this:

 

If there is an option to eliminate the free-form cover letter section, I click that option.

 

I block the default questions.

 

I create one custom question of my own, a yes/no question. Such as: “Are you ready to start on this project snow?”

 

Or:

“Do you understand that all instructions for this job are already contained in the job posting?”

 

By doing these things, I make it as easy as possible for freelancers to apply to the job or respond to a private invite.

ea088ce1
Community Member

Of 15 Freelancers hired... I have a 4.86 Client rating.

My Projects require specialized expertise, competence, and reliability.

Not interested in reducing requirements to the lowest common denominator.

 

Just the same, thank you.

 

 


Alan B wrote:

Of 15 Freelancers hired... I have a 4.86 Client rating.

My Projects require specialized expertise, competence, and reliability.

Not interested in reducing requirements to the lowest common denominator.

 

Just the same, thank you.

 

 


On Upwork a 4.86 for a Client rating is not good. Freelancers rarely rate a client poorly unless there are serious issues. 

 

Go back and read the part where Petra suggested you reframe your thinking that you are communicating with peers and not underlings. Your attitude and tone remind me of the one client I had who liked to refer to herself as my "boss", which she most certainly was not. 

 

Yes, yes, many of us have landed 5 and 6 figure clients. I assure that I haven't written more than a couple of paragraphs to land any of them. If you refuse to reframe your mindset as  a CLIENT or adjust your attitude, you will have to accept and tolerate the freelancers you are attracting, which will generally only be the bottom feeders. 

 

No one is saying this to be combative, but rather to help you understand why the good freelancers aren't responding. And if you have plenty of proposals that you are satisfied with, then why do you care why any freelancer withdrew their proposal? 


Amanda L wrote:

Alan B wrote:

Of 15 Freelancers hired... I have a 4.86 Client rating.

My Projects require specialized expertise, competence, and reliability.

Not interested in reducing requirements to the lowest common denominator.

 

Just the same, thank you.

 

 


On Upwork a 4.86 for a Client rating is not good. Freelancers rarely rate a client poorly unless there are serious issues. 

 

Surely there's nothing wrong with a 4.86 rating? Disgruntled freelancers can give poor ratings for all kinds of reasons that are hard to fathom. I'd consider anything above 4.5 to be just fine, as near as doesn't matter to a 5. 

 

Clients' rating methods are equally opaque. Some just don't seem to like giving a perfect 5 and randomly assign less than 5 on one of the 6 points. One gave me 4 out of 5 for "availability", even though I was the one who always answered his messages immediately, while he'd show up whenever he felt like it.

Thank you, Robert Y. for an objective, non-biased comment. 😉


Alan B wrote:

Thank you, Robert Y. for an objective, non-biased comment. 😉


Perhaps you should take Robert's lead and as we have all suggested, drop your biases and listen to what freelancers are telling you are the problems with how you are presenting yourself as a client? 

 

Freelancers assess risk when it comes to accepting clients online. You present as a risky client to work with. If you want higher quality freelancers to apply to your jobs, then you need to present yourself as a higher quality client. 

 

BTW, my comment was also objective and non-biased. It is objective and non-biased to tell you how freelancers assess risk. The fact that you disagree with a statement does not make it any less objective or non-biased. 

 

To Robert: if you had read my statement you would see the answer to your question. Freelancers tend to not mark a client down unless something was very wrong. A less than 5 star average for a client is definitely a red flag. 


Amanda L wrote:

Alan B wrote:

 

To Robert: if you had read my statement you would see the answer to your question. Freelancers tend to not mark a client down unless something was very wrong. A less than 5 star average for a client is definitely a red flag. 


I still think anything above 4.7 is as good as a 5. Much the same goes for freelancers' ratings of clients. People give less than perfect scores for arbitrary and subjective reasons. I just went through the first 15 job postings in my feed where the client has a star rating. Only 2 had a perfect 5. 

 

What I would consider more important in judging a client is how they rate freelancers. If a client gives consistently bad ratings to people they hired, there's something wrong. They may have been bad freelancers, but a good client doesn't go on hiring bad people again and again. It could mean they're not willing to pay the rate required for good quality work, and keep being disappointed when they get what they paid for.

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