I have found that in hiriing that there are too many **edited for Community Guidelines**
on the platform that are at reasonable fee's, but compared to code quality and timeframe i have constantly gotten outragious timeframe to complete like 30 days to 2-3 months for a a simple plugin , or 20,000 dollars to build a product add-on for woocoemrce.
Compared to **edited for Community Guidelines** are way better reaonable fee's and time frame is way shorter- i believe the **edited for Community Guidelines** use the hourly to max out hours and extort clients. i think upworks should bring back text for quality of code , as there are too many devs who can't code not are unable to understant the job posts.
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you edited out the country ? this was to compare the developers and quality of developers from certain countries! how does that violate guidlines! It show how certain devs from certain countires scam and misuse upworks- **edited for Community Guidelines** i would be very careful It is the duty of clients to display the incompetence of devs It is also the Job of Upworks to protect clients from develoeprs that abuse the hourly time. and are incompetent and don't follow instruction to the T or do other jobs on the timer taht are not discribed in the contract.
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Yeah, I went through 93 different upwork "developers" before I found one competant one who could actually speak english and knew what I was talking about with the diagrams I gave them. It is quiet sad that these people call themselves developers when most don't have the basic education to be able to develop code. Let alone over charging for the concepts.
A rule of thumb. It should only cost ~$200 per 500 lines of code. Checking with the coded work is the best way to keep track. IF a person is a real developer, it shouldn't take time for them to "research" to get the code from free ware websites like Github. I laughed so hard and literally cursed out many of them that had the audacity to try to tell me that their work took 20+ hours and they gave me one web page template. They didn't think that I knew how to code. So they quickly gave my back the money.
Hi Dr Ian,
I'm sorry to learn about your experience on Upwork. I checked your account and I do not see any client account in this account where you are posting from. Are you referring to a different account, or a company team member may have hired these freelancers? You can share the Contract IDs of the contracts you are referring to so that our team can look into this further.
I got rid of that business account a long time ago. For the reason of the fake professionals I was running into. We tried a few times. 2016 and in 2017. But ketp running into the same people over seas presenting themselves as professionals, but not able to speak clearly or understand anything we were saying and not able to build basic coding outlines. Before we closed the account, I found one man who did the job and we hired him directly in company now, proud of that choice as well.
Dr Ian P wrote:
Yeah, I went through 93 different upwork "developers" before I found one competant one who could actually speak english and knew what I was talking about with the diagrams I gave them.
A rule of thumb. It should only cost ~$200 per 500 lines of code.
You must have wasted an awful lot of your own time on the 92 incompetent developers. Wouldn't it have been more economical to pay a professional rate, and get a professional developer who would get it right first time? Just a thought.
I typed a whole message and then upwork wanted to give me an Auth failed.
It's bascially like this. Coding is not hard once you have the basics done. All software and user programs all have auto fills. Back in 2003, when I first started coding on Windows 95. There was no auto filling words or coding anywhere. Everything was hand written and nothing could be checked until it was launched and tested. You were running blind. What took us, 1 week to do back then with all the different server options, CS, JS, PHP, Data base setups etc. Litterally takes a few hours today.
Professionals in developed nations are absolute crap. They are like Construction workers. Telling you they can do this job, for this cost, then in this time frame. Then you catch them sitting on their bum all the time "on break". Fresh grads are also lacking basic work ethic or understanding how to work hard for what they get. They think a Bachelors and a 2.8gpa means they deserve a 90,000 a year job, right out of school. With no experience and they need 2 months off per year. lol .
While those who are good coders, live in the code and understand how it all works. They are passionate and love doing it. If you present them with a fun cool project that has growth, they will jump on it faster than flies on your picnic. The US dev said 80,000 and 3 months to build my project. I laughed him out the office and told him to get lost. The Fun loving person I met from here. Understood everything within a few diagrams. Did a prototype within 16 hours (4 days) . Then was able to full prototype other systems within 2 weeks. And under 5,000. THAT is because he knew how to code and he didn't have to work when it really was basic stuff that I was needing. I just didn't have time to learn the Google coding and API formats when I have businesses to run and manage.
But yeah, rule of thumb still sticks. $200 per 500 lines of code. If they take more than 1 hours to write 500 lines, then walk away. Charge more? Then they better be able to get out 2,000 - 3,000 lines of code a day. (6-7 hours)