Sep 9, 2019 08:42:28 AM by Renata S
Sep 9, 2019 03:42:16 PM by Renata S
Preston H wrote:re: "If it's so easy for us to recognize these frauds, why is it so difficult for UW?"
Don't underestimate the superiority of human intelligence relative to computers.
Yes, but we flag and ticket them for human consideration on UW and nothing happens. You can see obvious instances of clients continually asking for projects where they've attached their assignment sheets.
Sep 9, 2019 03:50:29 PM by Nichola L
Renata S wrote:
Preston H wrote:re: "If it's so easy for us to recognize these frauds, why is it so difficult for UW?"
Don't underestimate the superiority of human intelligence relative to computers.
Yes, but we flag and ticket them for human consideration on UW and nothing happens. You can see obvious instances of clients continually asking for projects where they've attached their assignment sheets.
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It would seem that human consideration on Upwork condones academic fraud despite the lip service paid to fraud in the ToS which is ambiguous to say the least. It is possible to weed out the fraudsters,the farmers and the essay mills. Unfortunately many of these people are generating doubtful income for this company and so at the risk of rocking the corporate boat - nothing whatsoever is done to stop this.
Sep 9, 2019 05:44:43 PM Edited Sep 10, 2019 07:25:21 AM by Renata S
Nichola L wrote:
Renata S wrote:
Preston H wrote:re: "If it's so easy for us to recognize these frauds, why is it so difficult for UW?"
Don't underestimate the superiority of human intelligence relative to computers.
Yes, but we flag and ticket them for human consideration on UW and nothing happens. You can see obvious instances of clients continually asking for projects where they've attached their assignment sheets.
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It would seem that human consideration on Upwork condones academic fraud despite the lip service paid to fraud in the ToS which is ambiguous to say the least. It is possible to weed out the fraudsters,the farmers and the essay mills. Unfortunately many of these people are generating doubtful income for this company and so at the risk of rocking the corporate boat - nothing whatsoever is done to stop this.
I will say that the posts sometimes get shut down, at least temporarily. This normally provies the clients with enough information about what not to say that they can successfully repost their requests moments later with less obvious wording. Clients aren't shut down for posting them and nothing happens to the FLs who take them.
Jul 7, 2020 07:26:17 AM Edited Jul 7, 2020 08:37:01 AM by David M
It would seem that human consideration on Upwork condones academic fraud despite the lip service paid to fraud in the ToS which is ambiguous to say the least. It is possible to weed out the fraudsters,the farmers and the essay mills. Unfortunately many of these people are generating doubtful income for this company and so at the risk of rocking the corporate boat - nothing whatsoever is done to stop this.
I have recently become more and more vexed at the farmer outsourcing issue that has been going on forever but is getting perpetually worse.
The algorithms favor the farmers whose profiles are showcased or highlighted to new clients both via direct email and in search.
I know the ToS allows for outsourcing in Fixed Price contracts, but I found this clause which might be able to stop them:
Jul 7, 2020 09:04:20 AM by David M
Mark F wrote:
This seems like an awful waste of time.
I agree, it is a waste of time especially if it doesn't affect one personally.
I'm hoping to see some responses from those who it does affect and any feedback towards a solution going forward.
In other words I don't simply want to ignore the issue as it's not going to go away, it's only getting worse...
Jul 7, 2020 03:29:33 PM by Mark F
David M wrote:
Mark F wrote:
This seems like an awful waste of time.I agree, it is a waste of time especially if it doesn't affect one personally.
I'm hoping to see some responses from those who it does affect and any feedback towards a solution going forward.
In other words I don't simply want to ignore the issue as it's not going to go away, it's only getting worse...
Sounds like an interesting hobby.
I don't see how it affects you. I can see how you might think it does but my guess is that anyone willing to hire them wouldn't hire you and, most likely, you wouldn't want to work with someone who would hire them. It is easy to imagine you are losing clients but are they really clients if they never would work with you in the first place.
Jul 8, 2020 02:05:11 AM by Jennifer R
David M wrote:How is it that they're amazing polyglots who can speak and translate 13 languages somehow, but continue to post jobs looking for other freelancers who speak those same languages?13 languages is nothing, try 31.Deep sigh after getting that off my chest, now back to my feed to find/flag job postings...Don't waste your time on that.
The clients get what they pay for.
Sep 12, 2019 08:02:17 AM by Richard W
Preston H wrote:re: "If it's so easy for us to recognize these frauds, why is it so difficult for UW?"
Don't underestimate the superiority of human intelligence relative to computers.
Ultimately, the only thing inside a computer is zeros and ones.
What you may think is easy can be quite difficult to do using only zeroes and ones.
Ultimately, the only thing inside a brain is protons, neutrons and electrons. What you may think is easy can be quite difficult to do using only protons, neutrons and electrons. It's a good thing that natural selection is smarter than Upwork.
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