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Jennifer M Member Since: May 17, 2015
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@Daniel A wrote:

 Cor blimey, you guys, for a first timer this is kind of scary


Welcome to the rock, man. The average person hiring on these places are just as crazy as the freelancers. I stick to businesses. My quality of freelance life went up after I avoided the blaaahgers. 

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Oreofe J Member Since: May 8, 2015
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RE: Cor blimey, you guys, for a first timer this is kind of scary

 

Daniel. Just had to LOL at that. Heard that phrase last in the 'Mind your Language series'

 

 

.These threads are just people's own 'humble' opinions . Your reality/situation might just be different.

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Irene B Member Since: Feb 17, 2015
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So I see this translating gig that looks quite good and apply. I get a message asking me to fill in an application form with all my info, plus cv, plus references and contact details. Oh, and they want to verify my qualifications. 

 

Well...hello! I have been out of the 'official' job market for over 15 years! And I finished my 'official' education in 1986 (Yes I am that old). Seriously, if my profile and job feedback is not good enough, pass on over. I do not work FOR someone. I work for myself. I offer my services to clients, but never work FOR them. I am my own boss and I like it that way.

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Oreofe J Member Since: May 8, 2015
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Well put Irene. The tragedy is , sometimes the proposed reward by this 'fact-finding' clients is not worth the paper (or computer) they are put on.

 

It's enough to get you fiesty and uptight , but then you just want to say a polite no and concentrate on the right projecs.  Regards.

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Irene B Member Since: Feb 17, 2015
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Oreofe

 

Well put Irene. The tragedy is , sometimes the proposed reward by this 'fact-finding' clients is not worth the paper (or computer) they are put on.

 

It's enough to get you fiesty and uptight , but then you just want to say a polite no and concentrate on the right projecs.  Regards.

 

Yes, I hear you. But what is disturbing, is the form to be filled in looked more like a job application form to a company outside of Upwork....there was even a section asking how you would like to be paid...and Upwork was not listed as an option. 

 

Now, as enticing as that may be, I like being paid via Upwork. It is the only little bit of job security there is! Besides that, I take it to be in violation of Upwork policy, and though I may bitch and moan and yeah, even rant at and about Upwork on occasion, it is the platform I use for work, and I am kind of attached to it. It is a question of I MAY moan about my family, but its MY family, and I don't like it when others try screwing them over, know what I mean?

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Robert James R Member Since: Apr 17, 2015
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This client has been screening me since July 23. He asks a question or make me do a small sample and I do it immediately. Then he replies 2 days later.

 

I showed him one article sample. It's about the many benefits of improving your diet and one of them is how it "slashes your hospital bills".

 

He tells me (paraphrased): "I'm not sure yet if you have what it takes to write like a native. Most of your writing seems to be good, but there are subtle things that a native wouldn't write this way:"Slashes your hospital bills". This is something that sounds slightly odd (because it's not referring to "what"), and doesn't fit the pattern of the other headlines."

 

Here's the article I posted

 

He's from Austria and he's telling me a native doesn't speak that way. I replied:

"I can change the tone and word use of my articles like changing clothes. For that one article, if you noticed it had a quirky/fun tone to it. "Slash your bills" is actually quite common if not native. They mostly use the term in infomercials. But if what you need requires me to stray from using these colloquial terms then I will definitely avoid it."

 

And attached this image

 

SLASH IT.png

 

He replied again and told me this:

 

"Nothing wrong with the expression "Slash your bills". The way it's being used as "Slashes your bills" doesn't fit the pattern of the other headlines and there is no subject (ie. what slashes your bills). If you put "Slash your bills" it makes sense. Things like that seem small, but they'd hurt our brand. That means I need to evaluate that more."

 

I  simply told him I understand and will avoid it. 

 

It's not that I don't like criticism but it's been more than two weeks and I've had thoughts that this client is just making fun of me. I can always publish the samples I did for him on my blog (he didn't pay me) but I've wasted time anyway and I can't get that back.

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Irene B Member Since: Feb 17, 2015
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THAT person, I think, is one I had a similar ordeal with. He questioned my English as I live in Africa. Ahm...I may LIVE in Africa, but I AM a native  English first language speaker, with the qualifications to prove it. Hell....I am a retired high school deputy principal (and worked an institute of higher learning)....WITH an English qualification (not a second language one, mind you!)

 

But the person was also from Australia...and what he actually wanted, was free work to 'prove' my ability.

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Preston H Member Since: Nov 24, 2014
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Robert, what in the world are you doing???? A client has been messing with you, getting you to do free work for two weeks?

 

You are smarter and wiser than that. You are not an uninformed newbie.

 

You know this is not right. You should have used the flagging button to report this client for asking for free work. You should have done this two weeks ago.

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Robert James R Member Since: Apr 17, 2015
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Preston, thank you and I appreciate this. I also too had a lot of doubts and planned on withdrawing the application shortly after a week. If this was fraud, then let this be a lesson not just to me but to newbies as well.

 

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I looked at how I can just sell the articles or publish them on my website should he not push through. The articles, they were only two, weren't anything difficult to do. It's not even worth any SEO points. Yes, I understand that this is bad client practice but I wanted to see where it was headed.

 

The client has the right credentials. At this moment, he's asking me to sign an NDA and needed information. I was wary of this but I've heard of similar "hiring requirements" in the past. I provided my name, birthday, city and country. I have a bad feeling about this but this is the only information he has on me. I won't provide anymore.

 

About the two weeks, I only gave him 2 samples but it took two weeks to complete. Again, they weren't "hard" samples. Barely took me 20 minutes to finish.

 

Here's how it transpired:

 

  1. He maks me read an article and get two high quality videos on Youtube based on back pain. This took 3 days to be "evaluated"
  2. He then asked about what foods I know that can fight back pain. This one took 4 days of back and fourth messaging.
  3. Asked me to do a short "research article" I made it quick at less than 300 words. 3 days before he replied
  4. Asked me to find two videos on gut microbes. I found them and we both used up 4 days.
  5. Asked me to write a headline that was catchy like UpWorthy's and a 3-4 sentence intro to the video. I passed it August 7, he evaluated it August 10. This was the 2nd and last sample, 3 days.
  6. He doesn't respond after 2 days so I asked him if we're pushing or not.
  7. August 12, yesterday, I decided to see where this was headed and stayed online to make sure I don't lose the client. 

 

We exchanged messages up until what you see on my post. We then continued with him asking what my workload was and how many hours I can give the guy. I told him. He then proceeded asking autobiographical questions such as "Where do you see yourself in 5 years?" and asked me to elaborate why I didn't push through with my career as a food scientist and opted to go for a writing career instead.

 

After that, He told me the conditions of the job and that I'll be paid for training. He'll then call me and discuss the job but not before signing the NDA. It should be noted how this client kept saying things like "I don't like to repeat myself" and this was ticking me off.

 

It took almost 20 days. We both used the UpWork messenger so I can just use his words againts him if nothing comes out of this. 

 

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As mentioned, he has the right credentials so I figured this was worth it. He has active contractors and all.

 

Here's his info:

 

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Preston H Member Since: Nov 24, 2014
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Robert, thanks for sharing your story.

 

Let us know how it turns out.

 

To any newbies reading Robert's story:

THIS IS NOT NORMAL. Do not try this at home. 20 days of jumping through hoops is not a normal interview process.

 

(Personally, I have hired dozens of contractors, and I nearly always skip interviews completely and send hire offers based on cover letters and profiles.)

 

The client in Robert's story is DEFINITELY violating Upwork rules that prohibit clients from asking for free work. But Robert (curious about where this is going) is not violating any TOS rules.

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