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t-hall
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38,000+ hours?

I just came across a freelancer with more than 38,000 hours. How is that possible? That is 1583 days, 24hrs/day, non-stop.

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inkmonkey
Member

How long have they been here? oDesk did launch in 2003.

computerhxr
Member

 They just work so fast that it takes 8 hours a night for the computer to catch up.  Smiley LOL

lysis10
Member

That's how you make money when you only charge $3/hour.

Sad...but true, Jennifer. ๐Ÿ˜ž

 

Mine is $5/ hr, and I have clocked 3800+ hours in the last 20 months.... Something has to give

Ok.. I checked the date of his first job and figured that if he never took a single day off work, he would have had to work an average of 15 hours per day.

 

15 hours per day, every day for 7 years.

 

He's actually worked another couple months plus some fixed rate jobs on top of that. So it's actually MORE than 15 hours per day...slightly.

 

 

Nikhil, why are you still charging $5/hr after 3,800+ hours of work? Raise your rate man! You'll lose some clients but you'll always find someone to hire you and compensate on you.

 

I don't know if that's good there where you are, but I can barely buy a sandwich for $5 here where I am!

I hear you, Wassim.

 

I didn't change my rates since the time I was contracted by my existing client (who accounts for 90% of my hours billed). However, about two weeks ago I have increased my houly rate by a couple of dollars, for prospective clients. Lets see how it works out...

 

Also, considering that I stay in India, $5/ hr is a really good compensation. I worked in call centers since 2003 till 2011, and the maximum that I was paid was $2.5/ hr!! And to top it off, the work ethics would make Amazon look like Santa's workshop, at the North pole.  ๐Ÿ˜„ ๐Ÿ˜„

 

I need to evaluate myself and place my profile strategically, so as to attract decent long term clients and at the same time, not feel cheated/ exploited. I am not a native English speaker, but I am articulate with words, have a good thought process, and speak with a neutral accent. Combine that with my Technical know-how and typing skills, I can be a very handy employee.

 

Any suggestions are welcome ๐Ÿ™‚

Nikhil... It is time you posted a new photo.

Your t-shirt makes you look cheap.

I am on it, Preston. First thing tomorrow morning, when the ambient lighting is good....

 

(By the way, the tee in question is a 'Levis Strauss & Co'....Still not good? or is formals the way to go?)

NO T-shirt of any kind for you!

 

Project the image of a successful professional, not a comfortably-attired hiree.

Aye, aye Capt'n ๐Ÿ™‚

 

Thanks for the input, really appreciated!! 

I hope you never become a minister Preston. I think you'd change the customes in the entire country for workers & employees, and many people cursing you everyday in hope that you die.

"Also, considering that I stay in India, $5/ hr is a really good compensation"

 

Nikhil,

 

I think this explains why there's lots of lowballers on Upwork. It's obvious people in India can make a good living on a $5/hr rate, whereas so many other professionals around the globe can't compete with this! This is really interesting information to know.

re: "I think you'd change..."

 

I enjoyed your comment, Wassim, but you probably have nothing to worry about.

 

I may proffer stern advice at times, but it's only in the interest of helping people earn more money and get jobs they like better.

 

I don't actually care how people dress on a regular basis. But the profile photo is a singular opportunity to make a first impression, sometimes with clients who have 40 job proposals to look at and only have time to read 4 before making a hiring decision.

The USD to INR exchange rate helps, Wassim. ๐Ÿ™‚

 

Now, please don't kill this lone Indian guy ๐Ÿ˜„

Oh no Nikhil. I highly respect all nations on our planet and India is a great civilization. I was just saying that it makes more sense to me now why there's many Freelancers bidding too low on freelancing sites. I knew about the wage differences but I never thought that $5/hr is considered a good rate for Indian professionals. I thought that was good for someone in the entry level only.

I never doubted that, even for a second, Wassim. You are a great guy and I like reading your comments, along with Preston, Jennifer, Mariska and the other 'Usual suspects' (love that movie, Preston/ Setu would be our Kaizer Soze) who lurk these forums ....

 

India is a country with a huge huge population (yes, its true...1.25 billion and counting), hence its a huge market for companies. So they compete with each other and as a result they lower the costs to ridiculous levels!! Our call rates and internet data usage rates have to be seen to be believed ๐Ÿ™‚

 

A grilled cheese sandwich costs less than half a dollar but fancy pizzas still costs $12 or more ๐Ÿ˜ž

 

Vehicles are still a luxury, and gas is extremely expensive....

 

And its a very peaceful country where every other day there is one festival or other. So goodluck with your ears and stomach ๐Ÿ˜„

 

All in all, we win some and lose some. All that we need though is a corruption free goverment.

Nikhil, thanks for your info!

That's Preston's subtle way of saying...."Now, shut the F@#& up" ๐Ÿ˜„ 

Heh... actually, I wrote something that was a bit disparaging about the U.S. government, something along the lines of offering to trade you your government for ours if you think yours is so bad. But I realized that was probably off topic and also might annoy those in charge of ensuring community guidelines, so I just left you an innocuous message. Was not actually trying to tell you to stop talking about where you live...

Hahahahaha....Oh c'mon Preston!! This satirical humor is what makes this forum a 'hip' place to be...and also helps us to forget/ overlook Upwork bugs Smiley Frustrated

I worked in a call center as well before starting on Odesk ๐Ÿ™‚ Same payment (almost) 3 USD / hour + comission. Dont be afraid to increase your rate, my went from 8 USD / hour when I started, to 10, than 15, than 25, now I charge 50 USD / hour for inbound marketing services, and there is work and clients who want the quality you provide for the price.

fitzberg
Member

I dont think the account is just used by 1 guy...
There is no human can do that for 7 years, even idols/actors get to get their time off

Or maybe its an agency using a single freelancer account 

re: "Or maybe its an agency using a single freelancer account"

 

If you worked 12 hours per day (!) every day of the year, that would be 4380 hours per year.

 

If you worked consistently at that rate, it would take 8.7 years to work 38,000 hours.

 

That's a LOT of work, consistently done, for an extended period of time.

 

Caroline's explanation is more believable to me... Another explanation is that it is simply another Upwork glitch.

 

For all I know, this could be an Elancer who earned $38,000 in one year, and Upwork's migration script decided to use his past year earnings for his total number of hours. Doubtful, but who knows after all the difficulties we've seen in Elance-Upwork migration.

 

Even if I find this hard to believe, I wouldn't actually want to do report it or do anything about it.

I really wonder if working a longer hours is against Upwork TOS. because as i can see most of freelancer here in forum always react and complaine when  they see a another freelancer profile who have a longer hours work.

since  most of you are always complaining, why don't you all request to Upwork management to limit the number of hours work  in a day since most of you always act as higher ups.

 

If we are have a longer hours work, this is because the client is the one who requested to work on it because of the nature of work. . they put unlimited time.  also why questioning others freelance profile  even if they satisfied their client with good feeback and  high JS.

 

Also. just because you have a few thousand hours, you are good and we the one who have more thousand hours are not good.  i see  a lot of freelancer have a few hundred hours  but poor performance.

 

 

 

 

Jesica,

You make some good points. Thank you for providing your perspective. What you said makes a lot of sense, about there being clients who request lots of hours, and it makes sense to point out that there are types of work that lead to accumulation of large numbers of hours.

 

Don't read too much into this thread. I don't think community forum members here want to change the rules, limit hours, or make official complaints about contractors with large numbers of hours.

 

We're just wondering, that's all...

Preston

 

there is a freelancer yesterday that he report the freelancer because of the number of hours. and he even call this freelancer as sandbagger because of 18000 hours work. 

 

and i wondering too, why this kind of hours is a big issue to other freelancer. 

 

laherz
Member

Jessica, since others haven't explained in this thread. And you haven't taken the subtle hints. I'll explain to you.

 

A normal person sleeps maybe 6 hours a day, I'll keep that amount low. Obviously this hugely varies per person. This leaves you with 18 hours a day of "awake" time. Now I'm not sure how you spend your day, but I certainly don't spend 18 hours of it working. Now let's assume a normal person spend 2 hours a day eating, shower brushing teeth and whatever else. This leaves you with 16 hours a day average of working.  According to some of those profiles, those people would (on average) have to be working nonstop without breaks. And they would have to do so all year. I'm not sure how realistic that kind of dedication sounds to you. But to me it sounds abnormal. 
And maybe this guy is just very dedicated and likes working so much, up to the point where it's all he does.  It doesn't bother me a single bit, no one here is "bothered" to put it like that. If he can live his life like that, than that's fine.  But if something else is going on, we'd like to know. 


You can see it as being curious. 

Well is this is a Big issue? 

 

i think we need to mind our own business,  as you can see even we work a longer hour we still satisfied the clients, 

and i'm pretty sure in my 35k $ earning a year, only  200$ has been refund and no client hours has been dispute. and the manual time is not take more than 10 hours out of 17200 hours. 

 

while i see the others, they say they work only  a little but still did not satisfied the clients with poor JS. 

 

always keep saying that those hours are doesnt matter ' but i would like to remind 

 

every freelancer have different job

every client  set a different time for each freelancer

and every clients sets a different standard.

every freelancer have a different social life. (you go party  while the other freelancer are busy to their work)

every frree lancer have different life, don't compare the timeline for each other. 

every freelancer have different ability, skills and needs.

 

and just because you can only work 8 -12 hours a day, you wanted  the other freelancer work on that too.

 

 

 PS.  Some of clients are very happy when freelancer work for longer hours, they appreciate the honest hardwork.

While the some fellow freelancer keep getting un happy because their fellow frelancer found a Good and happy client.

 

 

 


@Jesica L wrote:

Well is this is a Big issue? 

 

i think we need to mind our own business,  as you can see even we work a longer hour we still satisfied the clients, 

and i'm pretty sure in my 35k $ earning a year, only  200$ has been refund and no client hours has been dispute. and the manual time is not take more than 10 hours out of 17200 hours. 

 

while i see the others, they say they work only  a little but still did not satisfied the clients with poor JS. 

 

always keep saying that those hours are doesnt matter ' but i would like to remind 

 

every freelancer have different job

every client  set a different time for each freelancer

and every clients sets a different standard.

every freelancer have a different social life. (you go party  while the other freelancer are busy to their work)

every frree lancer have different life, don't compare the timeline for each other. 

every freelancer have different ability, skills and needs.

 

and just because you can only work 8 -12 hours a day, you wanted  the other freelancer work on that too.

 

 

 PS.  Some of clients are very happy when freelancer work for longer hours, they appreciate the honest hardwork.

While the some fellow freelancer keep getting un happy because their fellow frelancer found a Good and happy client.

 

 

 


I am curious if you have a life with the hours you have?

 

It looks like you have worked a bit over 3 years on Upwork. annd the hours you mentioned in the post above look like they are comparable to your hours.

 

You look from your picture to be young (and when I was younger I worked more) but I also had a social life. I would assume you have some kind of life besides work.

 

How do  you find time to do anything working the amount of hours you do? 

 

I don't think anyone was putting someone down for hard work, most people want to know how someone could work that amount of hours for that long without being burnt out.

 

I don't know anyone who could work 15 hours or more a day 7 days a week 3 years or more straight without  a break. So I guess some of the questions are expected from people.

 

And you getting upset doesn't make sense when the thread was just asking how someone could work that many hours.

 

I would like to know how someone could because I eat, sleep, have a life. I have a farm so some of my hours don't show on my work here, but I put in another 3 -5 hours a day feeding animals, doing chores etc.

 

I still cannot work 14 hours a day without being burnt out at some time.

well, as i said

 

were all different,. mind , body, brain and client,

 

that is why we called "Freelancer" we can work as long as we want as long as we can. also we have a different nature of work. just sitting down the whole day and waiting for lottery result makes you tired?

 

If i work 15 hours a day 7 days a week, its up to me,  

 

does my working hours really affect your working performance?  if i get tired  working  for 15 hours a day. does your client mad at you because i am tired? does my working 15 hours a day really affect in your JS score?

 

well if it is not. maybe  mind our own.

 

i forgot, the last time i work 30 hours a week., my client got mad , because they wanted me to work 60 hours a week( for 1 client only ),  maybe you can ask my client not to give me so much work so that i will not work a longer hours,

 

 

 

 

You are taking the questions way to personally. It is rude you keep telling people to mind their own business. This is a forum. We can discuss whatever is appropriate as long as we don't break the rules.

 

You shouldn't worry to much either what other people think of you working as much as you do, unless you really do have something to worry about.

 

I ask what I did out of curiousity. No reason to get upset. I really did want to know how someone as young as you are could go on 9 hours or less a day sleeping, eatting, going to the bathroom, shopping for food to eat, and maybe having some social time to do something else, because I think it quite amazing.

 

I don't know anyone in my life that could work that much and admire someone who would give up having a social life and anything else to work. As I sure couldn't do it, but making money never meant that much to me that I had to work that much so I guess I don't understand the mindset and would like to understand it better.

 anyway, upwork can decide whether its good or not for having a long hours work,

 

hi Upwork/mod , does  working too much a day like 15 hours a day is against the policy? if yes , i will let my client know so that they can reduce my time,

 

 

thank you


@Jesica L wrote:

 anyway, upwork can decide whether its good or not for having a long hours work,

 

hi Upwork/mod , does  working too much a day like 15 hours a day is against the policy? if yes , i will let my client know so that they can reduce my time,

 

 

thank you

 

Jesica,

 

No one is saying it is against the rules, please don't take what is being said and ask so personally. 

"i forgot, the last time i work 30 hours a week., my client got mad , because they wanted me to work 60 hours a week( for 1 client only ),  maybe you can ask my client not to give me so much work so that i will not work a longer hours,"

 

Or you could tell them youself that you do not work over a certain amount of hours a week, and if they still insist on those hours, you could tell them "thank you but no thank you" and move on to another client. Seeing the abundance of good reviews you've had, surely it would not be that hard to find a new client with reasonable demands?

 

These ridiculous job postins with outrageous demands for teeny tiny pay will keep popping up as long as there are people willing to take them on. If all the reputable freelancers told the client no, I am not happy with that pay / weekly hours / other silly requirment and I will not work for you if you insist on it, then they would have no choice but to either become reasonable or to do the job themselves.

@Jessica,

 

if your profile stands true, you have accumulated 17200 hours from April 2012. You also have 40+ fixed price projects under your belt. If we assume you started working on your first project on UpWork on 1st of April 2012, the math would go something like this:

 

August 20 2015 - April 1 2015 = 142 days 

 

3 x 365 + 142 + 1 (for the leap year of 2014) = 1238 days.

 

17256 / 1238 = 13,9386

 

Plus the time you've spent on the fixed price contracts.

 

I don't think anyone here wants to say that you can't work more than they do. But you have to understand that if this is truly how you've worked for almost 3,5 years - about 14 hours a day, every day - then to most of us, that is ridiculous, as it would violate an incredible amount of work time policies that are in effect in our countries. Now, freelancers of course may or may not adhere to these policies since they are their own bosses, but I sincerely doubt many of us would push ourselves to that extent other than maybe occasionally for short period of time - if a project needed it to meet a deadline, for an example. But not day in an day out. And what on earth have you done when you've fallen ill, for example? And have you truly had no social life for the whole time, no family engagement you couldn't miss? Most of us do, so it's a bit hard to digest.

 

Bearing all that in mind, to most contractors here that end up with these math results after looking at profiles like yours, it seems more likely that the hours you logged in have been heavily exadurated, or that you have billed several clients for the same time, probably to make up for the low hourly rate you've bid (less than 3$ in some of your old contracts). This of course will seem completely unfair to anyone who has ever lost a bidding war against someone who has bid lower than them, because people that exadurate their hours in hourly contracts effectively flush their bid rate down the toilet and hoodwink the client into thinking that they got a bargain, when in reality the client may be paying way more s/he thinks in terms of extra hours. 

 

None of this has anything to do with the actual job performance of the contractor. The clients may very well be completely satisfied with the results from freelancers like these, and that's great for the client and all. But to the rest of us, it distorts competition, so of course it makes us a bit peed off.

 

This is not meant as an accusation, but an explanation of the outrage. 

then, what do you wanted me to do?

 

stop working, and sleep and party overnight  and work for only  8 hours a day ? just to  meet your taste.. 

 

do i need to stop working?  

Considering that most of the people I know have a 9 - 5 job (40 hours a week) and they do just fine, it just makes us wonder why you have to work so hard to make a living. Woman Happy

Only my clients know the real reason why i work so hard. also my fix rate contracts are all done less than 24 hours, and they paid me within a day.  also if you notice, i work only in my specialized skill and only in Amazon related task, no other. 

Also if you read their feedback.  i think they are fully satisfied, and many of those clients are all recommendation and i did not apply  for those job,. its client recommendation from friends of friends from 1 Amazon Group of sellers.