6 connects for Entry level job?

[#1]

I just came across a job where client is looking for entry level freelancers but cost of posting proposal is 6 connects??

what exactly is going on? why 6 connects for entry level job?

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Petra R wrote:

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Maybe when Pavlo gets a little experience on the platform and thinks it through properly he'll see why it is a very silly set of ideas which would be bad for clients and freelancers in equal measures.

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Petra, as a top rated "solution finder" here on the Upwork forum - what would you suggest to address the issue in the topic, or the ones I propose to tackle by implementing a realistic project length and worth? I would love to hear your input.

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The determination of connects are irrational... I have discussed that with Glenn, from Upwork, And I will not repeat here my arguments, but is like trying to determine a price of a product before it has been sold. It´s a communist utopia...  Until you change your policy about connects I will not work anymore in Upwork. 

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Yeah, Rahul, the Upwork algorithm that assigns connect values to new projects might as well be a monkey throwing darts at a board with the numbers 2, 4 and 6 on it.

I'd rather see Upwork assign connects required for new projects based on freelancers' work history and average project value, which is probably a better determinant of what the freelancer can expect to be paid on a new project value than anything Upwork can otherwise measure. In my limited experience, many clients obviously have no clue how much they should expect to spend for completion of their projects, so how can Upwork expect to know better?

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Will L wrote:

Yeah, Rahul, the Upwork algorithm that assigns connect values to new projects might as well be a monkey throwing darts at a board with the numbers 2, 4 and 6 on it.

I'd rather see Upwork assign connects required for new projects based on freelancers' work history and average project value, which is probably a better determinant of what the freelancer can expect to be paid on a new project value than anything Upwork can otherwise measure. In my limited experience, many clients obviously have no clue how much they should expect to spend for completion of their projects, so how can Upwork expect to know better?

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I don't see how Upwork could possibly implement different connect charges for every freelancer here; also, if they make connects cheaper based on past project values, it will only encourage spam bidding by low earners.

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Hi Will, you are absolutely right. I also believe that most clients are not picking up the right parameters while they are uploading new projects. Like they are making a long term project without giving it any thought if they really have any intention to hire someone on long term basis. But due to their lack of attention, freelancers will have to spend 6 connects.

[#7 · Accepted solution]

Upwork needs lots of money even it doesn't a matter to Upwork, if Freelancers doesn't get jobs or clients never hire anyone. Upwork is getting money whatever the Job was granted to anyone or not! You can see, almost every jobs get more than 50 proposals. That means Upwork earns $45 without anything if there needs a 6 connects...if the job granted to anyone, Upwork earns again 20% commission. It's business brother...it's business! But I strongly believe, what is going on here, is not fair!

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Rafsun - It's a business, brother, it's a business - and Upwork has always lost money. We just better hope they manage to stay afloat.

[#9]

Ya. Its brutal. I think in this way fiverr is far better although limited work. What to do?

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Christine A wrote:

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Jennifer M wrote:

I read the OP in an Eeyore voice and all the replies got a Winnie the Pooh voice and then I chuckled.

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Yeah, that's pretty much how I sound IRL.

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I prefer to believe myself a Tigger, but I am afraid I might be a Rabbit.

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Mark F wrote:

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Christine A wrote:

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Jennifer M wrote:

I read the OP in an Eeyore voice and all the replies got a Winnie the Pooh voice and then I chuckled.

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Yeah, that's pretty much how I sound IRL.

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I prefer to believe myself a Tigger, but I am afraid I might be a Rabbit.

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No, you're definitely a Tigger.

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Christine A wrote:

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Mark F wrote:

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Christine A wrote:

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Jennifer M wrote:

I read the OP in an Eeyore voice and all the replies got a Winnie the Pooh voice and then I chuckled.

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Yeah, that's pretty much how I sound IRL.

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I prefer to believe myself a Tigger, but I am afraid I might be a Rabbit.

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No, you're definitely a Tigger.

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It's an apt description true: Look at those beady little eyes, and that preposterous chin, and those ridiculous striped pajamas

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Mark F wrote:

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Christine A wrote:

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Mark F wrote:

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Christine A wrote:

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Jennifer M wrote:

I read the OP in an Eeyore voice and all the replies got a Winnie the Pooh voice and then I chuckled.

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Yeah, that's pretty much how I sound IRL.

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I prefer to believe myself a Tigger, but I am afraid I might be a Rabbit.

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No, you're definitely a Tigger.

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It's an apt description true: Look at those beady little eyes, and that preposterous chin, and those ridiculous striped pajamas

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Mark, nobody wants to know what you wear when you are freelancing. 

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Mark, nobody wants to know what you wear when you are freelancing. 

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Even more so what I am not wearing...

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Ya, this is nutty. It should be one connect for one proposal.

6 connects for a $500 job is silly. = 20% + almost $1 in connects.

And the client posted that this is his absolute limit ($500).

For $14.99 I get 70 connects which is really 11 proposals.

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Eric W wrote:

Ya, this is nutty. It should be one connect for one proposal.

6 connects for a $500 job is silly. = 20% + almost $1 in connects.

And the client posted that this is his absolute limit ($500).

For $14.99 I get 70 connects which is really 11 proposals.

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So, if you get 10% of the jobs you bid on, your connects have paid for themselves many times over.

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Eric W wrote:

Ya, this is nutty. It should be one connect for one proposal.

6 connects for a $500 job is silly. = 20% + almost $1 in connects.

And the client posted that this is his absolute limit ($500).

For $14.99 I get 70 connects which is really 11 proposals.

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Actually, if saving a few dollars is important to you, you can buy connects in bundles instead of paying for a plus membership - it's 78 connects for $11.70.

Anyway didn't you say awhile back that it would be better not to pay for connects, and you were going to leave Upwork and spend your money on Google ads instead? How did that go?

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How many proposals does the project page say have already been submitted on this project, Rahul?

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Will L wrote:

How many proposals does the project page say have already been submitted on this project, Rahul?

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I doubt Rahul will find a job post from summer 2019

[#20]

Ya, it's just stupid.

I've seen jobs with 1 connect that are great, and jobs for 6 connects that look sketch.

Why not just move to 1 connect for all jobs. This 1 or 2 or 4 or 6 is silly.

If you get 60 or so connects for a paid account, thats about 12 proposals per month.

So why not just move to 12 connects for a paid account, or 15, or whatever, and let us go at that.

I so long for the days of eLance. When things were simpler.

In the U.S., right now, its becoming a lot eaiser to get gig work directly with employers. And that tends to be longer term. With COVID, and all the Zoom meetings, the barrier to remote work is lower.