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Re: 6 connects for Entry level job?

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Jamie F Member Since: Mar 7, 2010
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It could well massively backfire anyway - clients would likely start putting high place-holders to avoid the hassle of having to close contracts and start again. 

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Pavlo L Member Since: Oct 21, 2019
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Jamie F wrote:

It could well massively backfire anyway


And the system in place is working just dandy, didn't backfire at all?

As a freelancer you should be able to judge this accordingly and may even look elswhere, especially for entry level jobs.

 

As a client who is looking for entry level freelancers you are given less by paying the same, since freelancers are feeling left out and go elswhere.

 

How do you reckon is this fair to any of the parties, both of which you presume to be able to represent? And the question I ask everyone: what would you suggest in order to tackle the issue from the initial message of this thread, and maybe those I have touched upon?

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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
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Pavlo L wrote:

Jamie F wrote:

It could well massively backfire anyway


And the system in place is working just dandy, didn't backfire at all?


In which way did it misfire?

 


Pavlo L wrote:
Petra, as a top rated "solution finder" here on the Upwork forum - what would you suggest to address the issue in the topic, or the ones I propose to tackle by implementing a realistic project length and worth? I would love to hear your input.


Assume that a proposal costs 6 connects and build into in your rates. If you are in the market sector Upwork would rather get rid of (cheap freelancers and the clients that hire them for small / cheap contracts) - look elswhere.


As usual in business: Adapt or Abandon.

 

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Pavlo L Member Since: Oct 21, 2019
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Petra R wrote:


In which way did it misfire?


Assume that a proposal costs 6 connects and build into in your rates. If you are in the market sector Upwork would rather get rid of (cheap freelancers and the clients that hire them for small / cheap contracts) - look elswhere.


As usual in business: Adapt or Abandon.

 


Ah, so it isn't Upworks position, that connects should represent the length and value of a project. Phyllis has misinterpreted their reply on the lengthy thread about connects, or is simply lying to us then, right?

 

So, if this is just an elaborate way of Upwork saying "sod off", then of course, I choose Adapt.

 

But can I get a quote on this agenda you assume Upwork is taking?

Here's a post from up above in this very thread, about the backfire:

https://community.upwork.com/t5/Freelancers/6-connects-for-Entry-level-job/m-p/660636/highlight/true...

 

But if people are just being told to go elswhere with their cheapo jobs and bids (and you can provide a link on that being the position of Upwork) - then you're absolutely right, no backfire occured.

 

If not - you didn't offer a solution to any of the problems raised, Solution Finder.

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Jamie F Member Since: Mar 7, 2010
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Pavlo L wrote:

Jamie F wrote:

It could well massively backfire anyway


And the system in place is working just dandy, didn't backfire at all?

I didn't say it is dandy, did I? I acknowledged it has its problems, but your recommendation is not the solution. 

As a freelancer you should be able to judge this accordingly and may even look elswhere, especially for entry level jobs.

Fine. Upwork has too many freelancers. As it happens, connects are intended to limit applications. If freelancers leave then that's less competition for me. 

 

As a client who is looking for entry level freelancers you are given less by paying the same, since freelancers are feeling left out and go elswhere.

Again, connect were introduced with the deliberate intention of limiting applications. Clients were being swamped with spam and poor quality applicants.

 

How do you reckon is this fair to any of the parties, both of which you presume to be able to represent?
Who said it has to be  fair? Although if the system eliminates much of the competition than that's all good for me as a freelancer. 

And the question I ask everyone: what would you suggest in order to tackle the issue from the initial message of this thread, and maybe those I have touched upon?
I don't have a suggestion - other than not implementing your suggestions. 



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Christine A Member Since: May 4, 2016
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Jamie F wrote:


And the question I ask everyone: what would you suggest in order to tackle the issue from the initial message of this thread, and maybe those I have touched upon?



I suggest that Upwork should just charge a flat 90 cents per proposal instead of relying on clients to determine the project's worth. That would simplify things, don't you think?

 

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Pavlo L Member Since: Oct 21, 2019
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Jamie F wrote:


I didn't say it is dandy, did I? I acknowledged it has its problems, but your recommendation is not the solution. 

Ah, so the "I have no idea how, but not like you say" approach, I see. Not one that I take particular fancy in, to be completely honest with you - whatever you say after this loses its value to me. For what can a person implement, if he can only naysay without the ability to create his own? Not much, really. But nevertheless, let's finish this one at least:

Fine. Upwork has too many freelancers. As it happens, connects are intended to limit applications. If freelancers leave then that's less competition for me. 

 

Again, connect were introduced with the deliberate intention of limiting applications. Clients were being swamped with spam and poor quality applicants.

 

Who said it has to be  fair? Although if the system eliminates much of the competition than that's all good for me as a freelancer. 

I don't have a suggestion - other than not implementing your suggestions. 


 


My suggestion was built on what Phyllis fished out from the initial discussion on raising the connect cost of a bid. The official position of Upwork is, that the algorythm is built on the project length and worth, to which many clients reply - we don't know the length and worth.

 

Therefore I say - build the algorythm on what is declared by the client. If $5 then let the bidding be worth 1 connect and the project be ended at $5. This may also be a way of attracting bids, or people completing $5 test assignments. And if $500 is declared - then 6 connects are required and a $500 "long" project takes place.

 

Your only argument, apart from "do whatever just not what he says" is that it is an inconvenience for clients. Well I tell you: losing freelancers, who grow from $5 projects into $5000 projects, but start low, from those cheapo jobs - is not good for the client, nor for Upwork.

By the way, this is me taking it as true, that Upwork has an agenda of getting rid of cheap bids and not hearsay. And I would like you to provide me with a link on that matter. Unless it's all made up, in that case you may leave me with no link provided.

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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
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Jamie F wrote:

Pavlo L wrote:

(really bad ideas)


As a freelancer and a client - I give this suggestion every single nope of every colour that has ever existed and ever will exist. 

Just - nope. Lots and lots of nopes. All of them

Noooooo. 


Maybe when Pavlo gets a little experience on the platform and thinks it through properly he'll see why it is a very silly set of ideas which would be bad for clients and freelancers in equal measures.

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Pavlo L Member Since: Oct 21, 2019
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Petra R wrote:


Maybe when Pavlo gets a little experience on the platform and thinks it through properly he'll see why it is a very silly set of ideas which would be bad for clients and freelancers in equal measures.


Petra, as a top rated "solution finder" here on the Upwork forum - what would you suggest to address the issue in the topic, or the ones I propose to tackle by implementing a realistic project length and worth? I would love to hear your input.

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Luis B Member Since: Sep 10, 2019
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The determination of connects are irrational... I have discussed that with Glenn, from Upwork, And I will not repeat here my arguments, but is like trying to determine a price of a product before it has been sold. It´s a communist utopia...  Until you change your policy about connects I will not work anymore in Upwork. 

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