Solved: Re: Alas! Raising Talent badge. - Page 2

NikolaS N · ‎12-26-2022

Good evening All and Merry Christmas.

Can please someone from the Upwork community explains - how come someone with NO job getting "Raising Talent" badge (screenshots enclosed) and some (like me, obviously, are far far far away from this acknowledgement? ) Although there are clear discrepancy among some one who did 1+k Job and someone who has NOT?

Thank you.

**Edited for Community Guidelines**

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NikolaS N · ‎01-02-2023

Hi All,

We've closely followed this conversation and thank the participants for their valuable input. Since the arguments have been exhausted and the conversation is moving in an unproductive direction, we will be closing the thread.

Additionally, I would like to clarify a few things about the Rising Talent badge.

Even new users who have yet to complete any Upwork projects can become Rising Talent. Having contracts isn't required. However, if they do get contracts, they need to complete them successfully, on time and as promised to clients in order to maintain the badge.
A variety of factors is taken into consideration when determining whether to award Rising Talent status. These factors include prior experience and skills, educational background, the overall strength of the profile upon submission.
It is also important to regularly submit proposals that match your skillset. Remember to carefully pick jobs you’re excited about and choose clients who are willing to pay you your desired earnings.
While we can share the overall criteria for the Rising Talent badge, we will not be discussing the specifics and sharing the details as to why an individual freelance does or doesn't have the badge.

You can find more information on this page.

Edited to add information.

~ Nikola

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Christine A · ‎01-01-2023

Regardless of what experience you have outside of Upwork, the fact remains that your posts demonstrate very little knowledge ON Upwork. Which is fine - it takes time to learn - but you keep insisting that you're right and pretending that your opinions are facts, and I'd hate for other newbies to be mislead by your advice.

Hafeez R · ‎01-01-2023

If you think am the type that doesn't learn from others, then you are wrong about me.

You are a professional on Upwork today, but let me remind you that you stated the same I was now, you have your past mishaps and try to see things from other people's view, am not claiming I am the best here.

If you get to know me you will change your decision about me.

Remain blessed Christine

Jonathan L · ‎01-01-2023

Hafeez R wrote:
You sound like Upwork is not awarding the badge to some Talented freelancers>

Because they don't.

Upwork is a professional marketplace that is regulated by the law of ACTION and PROCESS

All badges, except Expert-vetted, are automated. And I will continue to believe that until Upwork states otherwise. They simply don't have the financial resources to pay people to wade through all of the >3mo accounts that don't yet have a JSS and determine which ones are worthy of being labeled Rising Talent.

Upwork has put together the requirements to earn the badge, and am sure it will be given if any freelance meets the requirements.

Yes, it is defined by an algorithm. And Upwork is not required to post all of the conditions that the algorithm considers. They also aren't required to delete/amend publications with incorrect/obsolete information (although they should).

You don't want to die, but you want to go to heaven, can you tell how that is possible?

Ask Elijah. Ask Enoch.

Hafeez R · ‎01-01-2023

Because they don't.

Yes because those that don't meet the requirement think they are qualified and it doesn't work that way, you have to get what it takes to earn the badge, I don't why it add for some people to admit that.

All badges, except Expert-vetted, are automated. And I will continue to believe that until Upwork states otherwise. They simply don't have the financial resources to pay people to wade through all of the >3mo accounts that don't yet have a JSS and determine which ones are worthy of being labeled Rising Talent.

Anything that is automated is programmed, and the algorithm's secret can't be dished out by mistake.

They simply don't have the financial resources to pay people to wade through all of the >3mo accounts that don't yet have a JSS and determine which ones are worthy of being labeled Rising Talent. (1)

How sure are you about this statement?

Yes, it is defined by an algorithm. And Upwork is not required to post all of the conditions that the algorithm considers. They also aren't required to delete/amend publications with incorrect/obsolete information (although they should).

Sound great as you admit this, some freelancers expected Upwork to tell what is written in the Algorithm to earn a RISING TALENT badge

INPUT ----------------------------------- PROCESSING -------------------------------------- OUTPUT

freelancer information System computation system results

00000000000000000111111111111111111111000000000000000 coding line

Step 1: accept freelancer info

Step 2: Declare W, & S. WORK(W) EDUCATION(E) SKILL(S)

Step 3: Read W, E & S

Step 4: If W > E

If W > S

Display W {WORK}.

Else

Display S {SKILL}.

Else

If E > S

Display E {EDUCATION}.

Else

Display S {SKILL}.

Step 5: Stop

These are simple to understand and it in line with what is written in the back end of the system deciding on who will and who will not earn the RISING TALENT badge.

Ask Elijah. Ask Enoch.

😂🤣

Jonathan L · ‎01-01-2023

Hafeez R wrote:
Yes because those that don't meet the requirement think they are qualified and it doesn't work that way, you have to get what it takes to earn the badge, I don't why it add for some people to admit that.

Hafeez, the Rising Talent is the only badge for which the Community does not have a clear grasp on the workings of the algorithm that confers it. Freelancers in this chat, with a collective Upwork experience of more than half a century (excluding myself, with my mere 7 months), say that it is conferred seemingly at random. Your insistence that those who do not receive it must not have met all of the requirements that Upwork published is not based in fact. Your experience in receiving the badge is not conclusive evidence - it is an anecdote. An accumulation of anecdotes becomes a survey which can be used to make reasonable conclusions. When you survey the Community - seriously, just search "Rising Talent" (or "Raising Talent", because typos). You will see all of the anecdotes that, in aggregate, are evidence contrary to your belief.

Hafeez R wrote:
They simply don't have the financial resources to pay people to wade through all of the >3mo accounts that don't yet have a JSS and determine which ones are worthy of being labeled Rising Talent. (1)

How sure are you about this statement?

Supremely confident. Upwork's financial statements are public record through the SEC, because they are publicly-traded. Look for yourself how much profit they make.

Hafeez R wrote:
Step 1: accept freelancer info
Step 2: Declare W, & S. WORK(W) EDUCATION(E) SKILL(S)
Step 3: Read W, E & S
Step 4: If W > E
If W > S
Display W {WORK}.
Else
Display S {SKILL}.
Else
If E > S
Display E {EDUCATION}.
Else
Display S {SKILL}.
Step 5: Stop

These are simple to understand and it in line with what is written in the back end of the system deciding on who will and who will not earn the RISING TALENT badge.

First, your conditional setup is incorrect. You can't have an ELSE clause after another ELSE clause that is not itself a nested IF-ELSE. That code you wrote will never display E; it will always return W or S.

Second, you do not know the code that the platform uses, so DO NOT tell anyone that your ultra-simplistic (and again, incorrect) code is an example of how the platform's automations are written.

Hafeez R · ‎01-02-2023

First, your conditional setup is incorrect

Kindly debug the code line, since the condition is not correct in your own opinion.

you do not know the code that the platform uses

I never said I know the code that the company uses.

ultra-simplistic (and again, incorrect) code is an example of how the platform's automations are written.

you can not conclude that everyone that reads this post will agree or disagree with either of our points.

Jonathan L · ‎01-02-2023

Hafeez R wrote:
First, your conditional setup is incorrect

Kindly debug the code line, since the condition is not correct in your own opinion.

Step 4 will throw an unhandled exception at line 5 because Line 3 is not an ELSE IF clause. Also, you did not close your block - that requires an END IF clause.

Nejmeddine J · ‎12-26-2022

Thank you
What changes did you make to your account to get the badge?

Hafeez R · ‎12-26-2022

Hey Natalya P.

Your overall profile strength, prior experience and talents, educational background, and career potential are all important factors. Professionals with in-demand talents can become Rising Talents even if they haven't finished any Upwork jobs yet.

I am living proof am yet to finsh any project on Upwork but I earned the RISING TALENT BADGE because of my profile strength and skills.

Natasha P · ‎12-26-2022

No. You are not a living proof.

Here are the criterion:

Complete projects on time and as promised to clients
Maintain a 100% complete profile with accurate skills and genuine work
Keep your availability status up-to-date
Regularly submit proposals to projects that match your skill set
Adhere to the Upwork Terms of Service
Have been active in the past 90 days or joined in the past 30 days
So, no, sorry. Unless you have a project completed - you are unqualified.

Hafeez R · ‎12-26-2022

How come I earn the RISING TALENT BADGE then? @Natalya P

PREVIEW

Natasha P · ‎12-26-2022

This is the question for the Upwork I raised.

You are unqualified. Not to mine expectations, no. To their.

Hafeez R · ‎01-01-2023

Are you kidding me.?😂

Hafeez R · ‎01-01-2023

This is not within your area of control Natalya, you can challenge me to prove why Upwork awarded me the badge, my work experience doesn't start ON Upwork, so Upwork set this right in my opinion.

Is not an accident why

1+1= 2 or 1+1=10

Admit the fact.

Christine A · ‎01-01-2023

Hafeez R wrote:
This is not within your area of control Natalya, you can challenge me to prove why Upwork awarded me the badge, my work experience doesn't start ON Upwork, so Upwork set this right in my opinion.

Did you actually look at her profile? She has more years of work experience than you do, along with a Master's degree.

Hafeez R · ‎01-01-2023

I have looked at her profile, but why then did Upwork fail to give the badge?

That is why I said is out of her area of control, I earn the badge because nothing but my profile meets the requirement, a master's degree is sometimes not what is required but the computed deciding factor that helps the system to decide who is eligible for the badge.

Jeanne H · ‎01-01-2023

You have been told multiple times it is an automated thing and has nothing to do with your real skills. You make a big mistake thinking that it means you are qualified for anything or is an acknowledgment of skills. It means you are new and something triggered the badge.

Hafeez R · ‎01-01-2023

You, being a professional can you say what concisely trigger the badge on my profile, and why someone with a master's degree did not have the badge?

Jeanne H · ‎01-01-2023

Asked and answered.

Hafeez R · ‎01-01-2023

I love to hear it from you, been my senior on Upwork.

I personally want to learn from you.

Jeanne H · ‎01-01-2023

Hafeez, you have been given exemplary advice from multiple freelancers, including me. You don't need me, you need to do the work yourself. I don't see any evidence of that happening. If you really want to learn, read this.

Christine A · ‎01-01-2023

Hafeez R wrote:
That is why I said is out of her area of control

Yes, it's out of her control, and that's the whole problem. Upwork uses very misleading language to tell freelancers that if they meet a certain list of qualifications, they'll automatically get the badge, but some people meet these qualifications and don't get the badge, and aren't given any reasons for it. They see that other freelancers have a badge even though their profiles aren't very good, so they think that it's unfair, and I find that completely understandable.

And yet, you keep arguing - based on zero evidence - that people get badges because they're more deserving than other freelancers, and that Upwork uses logical and fair processes. From what I've seen - based on many years in the forum, and after reading hundreds of profiles - that simply isn't true.

Jeanne H · ‎01-01-2023

Something freelancers do when they set up their account triggers the rising talent. I never received one, and I started as an expert. Although, that was a long time ago on Elance/Odesk, so perhaps they weren't even doing it then. I have seen no profile freelancers with rising talent, garbage, illegible introductions and no portfolio. Therefore, I have no idea how they make that determination.

Of course, you think Upwork is correct because you have a badge.

Hafeez R · ‎01-01-2023

No, I am not saying these because I have the badge.

Am only trying to state the fact, nothing more.

Christine A · ‎01-01-2023

Natalya P wrote:
So, no, sorry. Unless you have a project completed - you are unqualified.

That's not correct - lots of freelancers are awarded the badge even if they haven't completed any projects.