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Batten down the hatches! Rough seas ahead.

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Scott E Member Since: Feb 24, 2015
31 of 39

Elance is dead... long live the Upwork! I for one welcome my new Upwork masters and look forward to doing their bidding. We must appease the overlords with our 10% offerings.  

 

Now I just need to figure out how you do that profile transfer thing and maybe consider applying for some projects. Maybe tomorrow.  

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John K Member Since: Feb 17, 2015
32 of 39

My 2 cents on a few things Ron mentioned in his detailed post:

 

>> Upwork Pro Web Designers Group (By Invitation Only) - As a "top freelancer" aka "Top Rated" freelancer ( https://www.upwork.com/users/%7E019547eaab2fb9b652 ), I received an invite to the new Upwork Pro Web Designers Group.

 

Not sure I received an invite, but I wouldn't qualify because it's for designers, not developers.

 

>> Upwork Pro for Pro Mobile Developers (apparently no longer by invitation only) - The link to the now defunct "Upwork Verified Mobile Developers" group ishttps://www.upwork.com/groups/odeskverifiedmobile  The link to the now defunct "Upwork Verified Web Developers" group ishttps://www.upwork.com/groups/odeskverifiedwebdev As expected, both defunct groups show 0 members and 0 jobs.

 

I suppose I could try for this one, but I'm guessing it's geared to app developers, which I am not. I *was* a member of the defunct "Upwork Verified Web Developers" group. Why for Mobile there's a developers group now as before, but for Web there's now a designers group rather than a developers group is mysterious. Maybe a moderator can explain this to us hoi polloi?

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Bojana D Member Since: May 2, 2011
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John, I don't think you'd have any problems qualifying. The entry process was basically to show 4 websites that you've done so Webflow experts can asssess them - and if you don't have any, hey, you can just build 4 on Webflow and show those. If they're passable, you're in. 

 

I got the invite but decided it's not something I'm comfortable with; I do web design (design only) now and then, but I don't do code. I'm pretty sure I could've gotten in - beacuse the entry gate's minimum was to basically learn a web building tool and I'm pretty comfortable with those... but then the Pro Group was to be presented to clients as 'Pro designers that can build your responsive website from scratch'... Really? When at least part of the people are there because they can put together a decent structure in a web-building, web-based app? What if the client doesn't want their site on Webflow, what do you do when the code export fails and you need actual developer's knowledge to make it work? 

 

Not to mention the bit about the 20%. Nice one, Upwork. 

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Jennifer M Member Since: May 17, 2015
34 of 39

@Scott E wrote:

Elance is dead... long live the Upwork! I for one welcome my new Upwork masters and look forward to doing their bidding. We must appease the overlords with our 10% offerings.  

 

Now I just need to figure out how you do that profile transfer thing and maybe consider applying for some projects. Maybe tomorrow.  


 

I decided to pound the Upwork pavement for a couple of days and landed my first gig after 5-6 proposals. Customer is new to Upwork. I'm new to Upwork. Could be a fun little experiment on what happens when noobs come together. We are the immovable object meets the unstoppable force. A big ball of divide by zero.

 

Our Skype convo was something like

 

Him: Do you know how to do this?

Me: No, I'm new

Him: I'm new too

Me: Maybe if you click there

Him: OK, I clicked there now what

Me: Fund escrow

Him: How

Me: I dunno lol

Him: OK LOL

 

We had many lulz. It was good for a Friday. 

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Oreofe J Member Since: May 8, 2015
35 of 39

Lol.... how time flies. So tell us have you had any newbie client lately asking you what to click ? or has any one had newbie clients unsure of how to use the functionalities available on the platform ?

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John K Member Since: Feb 17, 2015
36 of 39

Bojana, you wrote, 

 

"the Pro Group was to be presented to clients as 'Pro designers that can build your responsive website from scratch'... Really? When at least part of the people are there because they can put together a decent structure in a web-building, web-based app? What if the client doesn't want their site on Webflow, what do you do when the code export fails and you need actual developer's knowledge to make it work?"

 

I take it you're mainly a designer, whereas I'm strictly a designer, not to mention knowing nothing about Webflow. This is a bit off-topic, but Upwork ought to provide freelancers with an official method to collaborate on a project without having to belong to an agency. For example, you find a job that requires design & development, and you're comfortable with the design aspect, and the client prefers WordPress, so you invite me to create the WordPress theme. Right now, the client has to take a chance on an agency or freelancer who does both, or go to the trouble of hiring 2 freelancers. This way, the client will get 2 specialists, and be able to evaluate them at the same time. Much better than hiring a freelancer and finding out later that he didn't do all the work, but secretly hired another freelancer to do half the work.

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Douglas Michael M Member Since: May 22, 2015
37 of 39

@John K wrote:

....Upwork ought to provide freelancers with an official method to collaborate on a project without having to belong to an agency. For example, you find a job that requires design & development, and you're comfortable with the design aspect, and the client prefers WordPress, so you invite me to create the WordPress theme. Right now, the client has to take a chance on an agency or freelancer who does both, or go to the trouble of hiring 2 freelancers. This way, the client will get 2 specialists, and be able to evaluate them at the same time. Much better than hiring a freelancer and finding out later that he didn't do all the work, but secretly hired another freelancer to do half the work.


John,

 

I like your idea of being able to arrange one-off collaborations in a transparent and semi-automated way. I've approached similar situations on Elance by expressing interest and offering  options to prospective clients:

  • referral to a colleague who does the part of the job I don't do, as a separate contract
  • permission to subcontract the part I don't do, to a colleague of my choice or the prospects'
  • when applicable, referral to a colleague who does the entire job.

This allows me to put my own strengths and interests forward while acknowledging I would need a collaborator or that the prospects' needs might be best served by hiring someone with a broader skill set. No need for secrecy, and I leave it up to prospects whether and how they wants to work with a team.

 

This approach has never resulted in a contract. It meets my needs for making proposals on jobs compelling enough to bid on despite a skill deficit.

 

Best,

Michael

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John K Member Since: Feb 17, 2015
38 of 39

Michael, while we're dreaming up features for Upwork 2.0, one way of implementing this would be to leverage the milestone feature. So, in addition to assigning a dollar amount, or as a further enhancement, a maximum number of hours, per milestone, a milestone would have a freelacer assigned to each milestone, so each freelancer gets paid separately, and could even receive separate feedback scores I suppose. While there's some added complexity, compared to the agency model, it has the virtues of transparency and elminating the middleman.

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Patrick P Member Since: Jun 17, 2015
39 of 39

@Jennifer M wrote:

 

Our Skype convo was something like

 


The better contracts I've landed are all from clients who've been off oDesk/Upwork for a while, and came back because of a new project/need. I've had that exact same conversation with each and every one of them.

 

"Okay, so I'm clicking here... Wait, nevermind... Huh... Oh, I think I found it... Wait, no..."

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