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Beware! oDesk allows Clients to change Freelancer's history for a closed and paid contracts - i.e. at any time

zcrendel
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Grigory M Member Since: Oct 13, 2009
21 of 80
> "get a lot of headache by pleasing every client" what is that supposed to mean? "pleasing" meant "asking" (wrong word, my english is not perfect). I meant watching my history all the time and asking every client which will (accidantly perhaps, or could be a cheating too) change it by changing the job's parameters. And waiting for their's answers (a months) and looking at the history again and so one - nice advice. > From just reading some of your comments here in this post, it is almost as if you're saying that you don't feel you owe anymore respectful thought to your past client once you've received payment? That is not good That is very strange - there was no even one bad word about any of my client. Moreover, every client can contact me - they all have my direct contacts and I do not hide from anyone. But if client just do things with my own history for a closed and paid contract and these changes are not related to my work quality at all - hey, this is 100% not fair and I'm very serious about, I won't "just let it go and move on". Those things, described in topic, are actually oDesk professional area. I just expect what oDesk will do it's job - is it a global moderator (and contract safer) huh? and if such a thing happen it look like a bug in oDesk system. If you can just suck it up - it is your choice, but not mine. I think that more freelancer's might be faced such a thing further not just like me, do you advice all of them to simple suck it up? > You're supposed to give 150% each and every time and if something goes awry move on. Suck it up. It's part of life, part of the profession. Hey-hey, let me take care of it. I know my job well and I'm professional there. Maybe we shall start to discuss the topic instead of my personality, that would be a good start. The was not answered question still persist: "please tell me - WHY I (a freelancer) have to check my history and completed jobs all the time to just be sure it was not changed to anything what client may just wish it to change?" For what reason we have history at all if it does not reflect past reality and can be changed by client wishes?
mistykeith
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Misty K Member Since: Feb 5, 2012
22 of 80
My intent was not to demean you or be rude. I'm simply pointing out how it is best to get what you expect from each and every client. Also, I'm not talking about specific words in your posts. I'm speaking of how you phrase your sentences to where sometimes it almost seems (to me anyway) that you are non-appreciative of the past opportunity, or you feel you don't owe respect to that past client any longer. That is what I was saying. And, if that is the case then you're not being fair to the past client. This is especially true if they gave you excellent feedback and left a verbal statement recommending you. Once again, that is just my feeling on this.
zcrendel
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Grigory M Member Since: Oct 13, 2009
23 of 80
> that you are non-appreciative of the past opportunity this all is not true and thus all of your conclusion posts (a lot of in this thread) were/are wrong. Is there any more you could add about a topic itself instead of (please, please) stop giving any conclusion based on just a (wrong) feelings regarding my person? I will appreciate if you stop to use intuition and but use facts described in topic - that's why I'm here - to discuss them, not my relations with the clients (which is out of topic). Could you finally answer to multiple asked question, will repeat it again for your convenience: "please tell me - WHY I (a freelancer) have to check my history and completed jobs all the time to just be sure it was not changed to anything what client may just wish it to change?" For what reason we have history at all if it does not reflect past reality and can be changed by client wishes?"
marciamalory
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Marcia M Member Since: Apr 3, 2013
24 of 80
I honestly cannot see how your post could have been considered rude, even considering the fact that your English is less than perfect. It's clear that you wanted to talk things over with the client but the client could not be reached. I wouldn't consider trying to get in touch with a client who was apparently offline for a month to be spamming the client.
mistykeith
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Misty K Member Since: Feb 5, 2012
25 of 80
I'll respond to your questions here, but this is only my opinion. We all have our own, and all handle business situations in a way that works best for us as individual business people. That is my main point of view here. So: "please tell me--WHY I (a freelancer) have to check my history and completed jobs all the time to just be sure it was not change to anything client may wish? To answer this, it is just being responsible to stay up to date with your profile and history. Mistakes can happen and with all the glitches at Odesk it is only smart to do so. I check mine every few days just to make sure nothing has changed. It gives me peace of mind. I've never faced an issue such as you're describing though. I only had one past client change a job title to "Private" from "Editor" but I understand their reasoning. What reason for past history, etc. ( I just paraphrased and shortened this question of yours) Past work history is very important, but when you're applying for a job you can always point out a "Private listed" job you did to the client. IF they are interested they will interview you to find out more about that past job. Now, I'm fairly certain your client had to contact support to change that job title. I'm a client here as well and I've had to do that before I could change anything. Of course, I contacted my past freelancer too. Past work history plays a role but it doesn't determine if you'll get a position. Your application/resume/cover letter does this. Normally a client reads that and then gains interest. Often they send an interview request to discuss more. So, while the past history is significant, one past job you've worked, with a changed title isn't going to pose you irreparable harm. My advice is to contact the client one time. Politely ask if they can change it from "A" to "Applications specialist", "Coder", "Computer specialist" etc, without sharing what the job really was if privacy was the issue. That's all you have to do if so concerned. If they change it, good. If not, you'll just have to find a way to work around it. I'm sorry, but Odesk certainly isn't perfect, and many freelancers have to deal with these circumstances.
marciamalory
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Marcia M Member Since: Apr 3, 2013
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The client has disappeared and the OP and oDesk have no way of contacting him. You need two people to have a mature, polite conversation. Of course no one thing determines whether you'll get a position. It still doesn't mean that anyone should be placed at an unfair advantage.
zcrendel
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Grigory M Member Since: Oct 13, 2009
27 of 80
Thanks Marcia, exactly! > You need two people to have a mature, polite conversation. I'm surprised what need to explain such a clearly things, especially when they are explained a lot of times in the initial topic and further comments at this thread. I wonder, why Misty still continue to force she's personal opinion against the facts.
mistykeith
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Misty K Member Since: Feb 5, 2012
28 of 80
I am not trying to FORCE my opinion, and my post clearly shows that. I answered the questions you wanted me to, so how in the world you want to say I'm forcing anything is beyond me. At any rate, I answered your questions you wanted, and I'm done here. As I said, your situation, and others like it have happened to just about every freelancer here. Maybe not with a job title change like that, but something has happened at one point or another. I just work around issues and they have never impeded my ability to get work. Having a really good cover letter each and every time will definitely solve the issue of worrying about this. Most clients will understand. But again, I have clearly said everyone has their own opinion on this. That was really unfair to say I'm FORCING my opinion on anyone. But I'm done, good luck to you. Let's hope you find a way to work around the issue because that is all you really can do. Honestly, I gave you really good advice to your questions in this previous post. I wasn't attempting to FORCE anything on you. But, it is what it is. Moving on now.
zcrendel
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Grigory M Member Since: Oct 13, 2009
29 of 80
I'm experienced oDesker and I know how to provide quality service to my clients. I'm here... whatever, topic described the problem why I'm here. Best wishes to you Misty and have a nice working week.
zcrendel
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Grigory M Member Since: Oct 13, 2009
30 of 80
> He just decided to go back and title it "A". Why not "B", why not "Programmer", why not "Software developer". What is the problem may exist to kept that as "Unix C program"? Can you imagine at least one, please share with me? Anyway he did that without respect to me, while I helped him much by forcing the work over time and did that very fast. And this is not his fault actually, but oDesk system design which allowed to him to do that things without notifying freelancer (me). He did that, because he can do that and it was not restricted by oDesk system.
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