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Re: Budgets too low

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Debora F Member Since: Nov 3, 2010
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Hello

 

I don't understand what is happening in Upwork. You allow clients paying $1.59/hr Avg Hourly Rate Paid , like a client that posted a job for Medical translation today. 

How can we, experienced and professional freelancers, work when clients are asking to work for 5 or 10 dollars, or 2 dollars/ hour.

And then, as it happened to me last week, you make my profile private because you say that I'm not hired... Of course... I will not work for 10 dollars minus 2 dollars fee = 8 dollars .... Is not worth my time.

Some minutes ago a client posted a job asking for proofreading an academic text 2500 words long, asking to do it for today (in 3 hours) and offers USD10 (final price 8 dollars)!!  This is really not fair!! Ridiculous!  

This changed in the last year in Upwork, is a cheaper site so professionals that had a good record, like myself, have no place to work.

Why don't you ask for limits to clients, so they can't offer less than USD25 for a fixed price or USD15/hour, for example?

I know... there are freelancers that accept lower budgets (because they have no option) and clients that want to pay higher rates (not so often).

Please, check the rules for clients offering jobs so the more experienced and professionals freelancers can continue working in Upwork.  

Thank you
DF

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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
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I pay little attention to the budget. I bid what will make it worth my while to do the job. If that’s twice or 5 times or more the budget, so be it.

 

Community Leader
Debora F Member Since: Nov 3, 2010
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I also place my bids higher than that, but always are people ready to bid $5... so I think that Upwork has to place limits to clients to do it fair. 

Last week Upwork made my profile private because they say that I didn't work for the last weeks (it wasn´t right anyway)... of course I will not be hired if I place $120 when the client wants to pay $20 

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Peter G Member Since: Mar 13, 2019
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I feel your pain. I'm so blown away by many fixed-price creative budgets...$50 for a logo! Most recently, "Create a unique and website friendly logo...be smooth and modern!"—fixed price: $10. That's not even an hourly rate.

 

I understand some just put anything as a placeholder, but then how do we, very experienced professionals, know if they are serious or not? I don't want to waste my 2 Connects on something that is garbage.

 

I wish there were limits to what people can put as a fixed-price for certain things.

 

 

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Melanie H Member Since: Nov 2, 2017
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Peter G wrote:

I feel your pain. I'm so blown away by many fixed-price creative budgets...$50 for a logo! Most recently, "Create a unique and website friendly logo...be smooth and modern!"—fixed price: $10. That's not even an hourly rate.

 

I understand some just put anything as a placeholder, but then how do we, very experienced professionals, know if they are serious or not? I don't want to waste my 2 Connects on something that is garbage.

 

I wish there were limits to what people can put as a fixed-price for certain things.

 

 


You won't know every single time without fail, but you can look for clues. One might be the average hire rate (check the rates yourself for individual jobs since they may be asking for different types of work, some of which will generally pay lower/higher). Another could be the previous freelancers' feedback left for the client. You could also try to go for established clients with a long(er) history here.

 

And some clients actually state in the description that they're not sure how many hours the job will take and ask that you submit your rate. (You would anyway, but I suppose they're just making sure freelancers understand the fee is just a placeholder.)

 

There's no guaranteed way not to "waste" connects, per se, but unless you're using them up to the limit each month it's probably not as much of a problem. I never use all my connects and some months I don't use any. As your reputation builds up you may get repeat clients and enough approaches of solid jobs that you won't need to be using many connects.

 

There's no way for Upwork to guarantee you haven't "wasted" connects, especially since the definition of that may vary. Were they wasted if the client decided to reject a slightly higher offer? Were they wasted if the client rejected the freelancer in question for another reason? The more UW has to babysit these sorts of things, the higher I see our fees going since somebody has to be paid to do that.

 

You'll get more and more of a feel for legit jobs as you get more experienced on UW.

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RJ S Member Since: Jul 17, 2016
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**Edited for Community Guidelines** He is addressing the Concept of Self-Respect that Upwork should be upholding and providing. Upwork has a clear responsibility to absolutely Ensure that any job offered has a Concept of fair play. 

If Upwork is about devaluing human endeavor than cest la vie. Let it sink into an abyss called freelancer **Edited for Community Guidelines**. And let that be the RIP on its tombstone.

If Upwork is going to go for the bottom rung, and allow those who want to hire treat others as though they are dross, then Upwork will sink because soon, not later, all will abandon it. I'm completely fed up with the **Edited for Community Guidelines** on here saying, "You have to raise yourself up." In case these people haven't noticed (!), the fundamental PRINCIPLE of the United States of America (which is where Upwork is based) is that human beings have the right to have their work respected and paid for. This is why there have been so many worker's strikes that lead to unions. Upwork oughta check itself before it wrecks itself.

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Tiffany S Member Since: Jan 15, 2016
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RJ S wrote:

Blah blah blah blah blah. You are ridiculous in your answer to him. He is addressing the Concept of Self-Respect that Upwork should be upholding and providing. Upwork has a clear responsibility to absolutely Ensure that any job offered has a Concept of fair play. 

If Upwork is about devaluing human endeavor than cest la vie. Let it sink into an abyss called freelancer **Edited for Community Guidelines**. And let that be the RIP on its tombstone.

If Upwork is going to go for the bottom rung, and allow those who want to hire treat others as though they are dross, then Upwork will sink because soon, not later, all will abandon it. I'm completely fed up with the Bozos on here saying, "You have to raise yourself up." In case these people haven't noticed (!), the fundamental PRINCIPLE of the United States of America (which is where Upwork is based) is that human beings have the right to have their work respected and paid for. This is why there have been so many worker's strikes that lead to unions. Upwork oughta check itself before it wrecks itself.


RJ, the critical piece that you're  missing here is that in this context you are not the poor victimized worker waiting for a union or other organization to save you from the big bad business. YOU are the business. It's tough to run a business successfully while sitting in the corner whining and waiting for someone to rescue you.

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Melanie H Member Since: Nov 2, 2017
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RJ S...If what you're referring to is minimum wage, that 1. is dependent upon specific factors, 2. varies by state and changes periodically and 3. is for employees. We're not employees. We're business owners. If you were to, say, open a restaurant, the state would not guarantee you a specific income based on cost of living, hours worked or anything else. There wouldn't be a state or federally mandated minimum bill per meal. I've seen three tacos for a buck and I know you have too.

But I think the main complaint here seems to be specific nations with people generally charging, comparatively, extremely low rates. Off-shore outsourcing has been a thing for decades and yes, it's because of cost. It's been a factor for businesses in various categories for at least as long as most of us have been alive. Yet many many many Americans charging U.S. prices (if you will) have been and continue to be successful. "Way, way cheaper" will always be a competition factor. You need to be competition in your own way - quality, native English speaker of whatever. Don't go for the cheap jobs, and excel at what your own strengths are. It really is that simple.

Anything else would be so restrictive as to be scary, when you think about it. We'd all be losing a whole lot of work freedoms too, on top of UW charging all of us WAY more to to cover having to hire legally trained employees to constantly police all this stuff...meanwhile, with angered clients jumping ship left and right. It would honestly be a disaster.

Don't sell the freelancer analogy to three tacos for a buck, but there's no need to stop Del Taco's freelancer equivalent from doing so. Instead, offer freelancer gourmet, kitschy, fusion or something else that you can absolutely slay. This way we ALL keep freedoms in our own businesses, plus have a shot at success under our own terms.
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Melanie H Member Since: Nov 2, 2017
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@Petra R wrote:

I pay little attention to the budget. I bid what will make it worth my while to do the job. If that’s twice or 5 times or more the budget, so be it.

 


 

I don't bid my rate if the budget is crazy low, like the $3 minimum (or in the OP's case, apparently less). That's not worth my while at all. A company that wants to pay two dollars an hour for copy doesn't want quality copy and definitely doesn't want my rates. So why bother? I concentrate my energies on clients I know want someone like me, not someone who will beg for three-dollar jobs. And that's not disrespect...there's a place for super-cheap work at super-cheap rates and super-cheap quality. Some people legitimately do want that and don't require really good work. I know they won't care about my quality and don't want my rates so I pass them on by; it's just not a fit.

 

 

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Adnan F Member Since: Nov 6, 2018
10 of 77

HI Petra,

I've been considering bidding a rate which I think is fair. Have you been successful with a job bid when you've offered higher?

Thanks. 

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