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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
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@Debora F wrote:

1) I don't see why I have to receive less money than you receive, because you live in "developed" countries.

 

2) Really, a typical case of discrimination...

 


1) Nobody says you "have to receive less money" - the whole point was that you are free to set your price and your rate any which way you like provided you can sell your offers at that price. It is called "running your own business" - the point was that just as you are free o set your prices and rates how you like, so is everyone else, whether that is higher or lower than what you are offering.

 

2)  Not at all. That's abject nonsense, and quite the opposite happens to be the case. If anything, the suggestion to remove some people's only chance to make money at all just to suit your own purposes is discriminatory as you want them to end up with nothing in the mistaken belief that you'd end up with more if they can no longer feed their children.

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RJ S Member Since: Jul 17, 2016
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It's truly wonderful how some of the so-called commentors on the forum LOVE to bring up the third worlders "feeding their children", as though is those of us in America and Europe want to make a decent wage we are somehow denying food to these third worlders. 

 

So before those-who-shall-not-be-named take the road of noblesse oblige, and flat out state that You are required to Not make money so that the third worlder can charge .75 per hour, let's agree that...yeah sure...somewhere in this world someone will lift that barge and tote that bail for a quarter. But if you are a Westerner or a European and have to pay all the things that goe with that status, then third world wages won't cut it. Further, before they tell you that the third world is your responsibility, make them prove how many third worlders they've adopted.

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Melanie H Member Since: Nov 2, 2017
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RJ S wrote:

It's truly wonderful how some of the so-called commentors on the forum LOVE to bring up the third worlders "feeding their children", as though is those of us in America and Europe want to make a decent wage we are somehow denying food to these third worlders. 

 

So before those-who-shall-not-be-named take the road of noblesse oblige, and flat out state that You are required to Not make money so that the third worlder can charge .75 per hour, let's agree that...yeah sure...somewhere in this world someone will lift that barge and tote that bail for a quarter. But if you are a Westerner or a European and have to pay all the things that goe with that status, then third world wages won't cut it. Further, before they tell you that the third world is your responsibility, make them prove how many third worlders they've adopted.


I'm a Westerner and I make Western rates. Improve until you're worth it to clients. It can be done; it IS done.

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Debora F Member Since: Nov 3, 2010
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Sorry, I'm from Argentina, professional, M.Sc in Biological Chemistry...postgraduate in Science Communication... I'm as professional as you are. I don't see why I have to receive less money than you receive, because you live in "developed" countries. Really, a typical case of discrimination... maybe you are in developed countries...but that doesn´t mean developed minds! 

Thank you 

 

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RJ S Member Since: Jul 17, 2016
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The point is that the $3 an hour "gig" should NEVER show up in the US market. Or have you not seen the **Edited for Community Guidelines** "giant sucking sound" clip? We are an industrialized nation. Those who would like us to devolve to third world status say things like, "You won't compete with them anyway." Nope, the real answer is that UPWORK has a responsbility to be sure that All posters pay US rates if they want to post where US freelancers will respond.

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RJ S Member Since: Jul 17, 2016
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Actually there are "fair" laws in the United States. ANYONE who wants a US freelancer has to abide by those laws. Duh. Or would you prefer to erase 200 years of fighting for the rights of working people? We are NOT a third world country. Upwork has a legal responsibility to cordon off third-world type jobs and NOT ALLOW anyone to ask a US worker to work for those kinds of payments.

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Tiffany S Member Since: Jan 15, 2016
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RJ S wrote:

Actually there are "fair" laws in the United States. ANYONE who wants a US freelancer has to abide by those laws. Duh. Or would you prefer to erase 200 years of fighting for the rights of working people? We are NOT a third world country. Upwork has a legal responsibility to cordon off third-world type jobs and NOT ALLOW anyone to ask a US worker to work for those kinds of payments.


Fascinating. Please cite the U.S. law that imposes that "legal responsibility"

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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
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Tiffany S wrote:

RJ S wrote:

 Upwork has a legal responsibility to cordon off third-world type jobs and NOT ALLOW anyone to ask a US worker to work for those kinds of payments.


Fascinating. Please cite the U.S. law that imposes that "legal responsibility"


Oh.. you... you.... you person with a law degree...

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RJ S Member Since: Jul 17, 2016
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Upwork does not support contract rates under $3.00 per hour (including the Upwork Service fee) for hourly contracts.

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That is an unbelievable statement. Upwork is BASED in the United States of America. If it wants to cordon off a section and say, "This is for third world people, who we know can live on $400 a month," fine. But for ANYONE wishing to hire a US freelancer, the amount requested should reflect OUR standard of living. As it's been said before, "Kiss my grits." 

Upwork should act like a professional place if it wants to sell its services to professionals. In case Upwork isn't aware, there's a little story about David and Goliath...

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Douglas Michael M Member Since: May 22, 2015
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RJ S wrote:
[apparently quoting:]

Upwork does not support contract rates under $3.00 per hour (including the Upwork Service fee) for hourly contracts.

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That is an unbelievable statement. Upwork is BASED in the United States of America. If it wants to cordon off a section and say, "This is for third world people, who we know can live on $400 a month," fine. But for ANYONE wishing to hire a US freelancer, the amount requested should reflect OUR standard of living....


There is reason to believe Upwork's minimum hourly rate is no higher because its corporate clients, e.g., a famous Family Entertainment Movie Studio, don't allow it. Those clients don't care where their talent comes from, as long as it meets their needs. Alas, corporate and legistlative America in general do not care about the standard of living of American workers. And there are plenty of takers for $3/hour jobs (or less, via fixed price) right here in the USA.

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