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Budgets too low

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RJ S Member Since: Jul 17, 2016
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Valeria, It's NOT respectful when some of these posters...and you know who i mean...tell US freelancers to suck it up. What happens when jobs for $3 an hour are posted in a general section with other decent jobs, is that the decent jobs posters say, "Hey, well I'll just do that too..."

That is the giant sucking sound **Edited for Community Guidelines** spoke of.

Upwork is a US based company. Any and all jobs posted by and for US companies/people for US freelancers should and must reflect the US standards.

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Nichola L Member Since: Mar 13, 2015
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RJ S wrote:

Valeria, It's NOT respectful when some of these posters...and you know who i mean...tell US freelancers to suck it up. What happens when jobs for $3 an hour are posted in a general section with other decent jobs, is that the decent jobs posters say, "Hey, well I'll just do that too..."

That is the giant sucking sound **Edited for Community Guidelines** spoke of.

Upwork is a US based company. Any and all jobs posted by and for US companies/people for US freelancers should and must reflect the US standards.


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What standards? Perhaps you should check out Upwork's legal advisor: https://www.upwork.com/about/team/ I doubt he has done anything to break US corporate law.

 

"In October 2018 Upwork's CEO Stephane Kasriel said in an interview with CNBC that Upwork had taken steps to help U.S.-based freelancers protect against being undercut by their global counterparts, ‘Last year, we launched a U.S.-only website, where U.S. freelancers are only competing against other U.S.-based freelancers. And that means they can have rates that are compatible with what they would expect to get in the U.S.’

(Wikipedia)

 

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Luis d Member Since: Jun 12, 2018
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Hi Debora.

I actually came to the forum because I was feeling a bit angry as well since I've been seeing, for the past few weeks, some absurd offers that totally degrate my profession.

I can understand that Upwork is a free market site and there are indeed some basic limits regarding rates but I totally agree that, depending on what the client asks and the complexity of the tasks involved, there should be some sort of filters before they can actually release an offer.

 

For example, there was a guy asking to do complete soud post production services for movies and his fixed price was $90...yes, for a whole movie...REALLY? I wouldn't even waste my time on bidding on this for the right value, which should be somewhere around $2000 to $3000 at least.

 

Anyways, I completely understand your frustration. It's great that there can be opportunities for new / unexperienced freelancers but, as a platform, there should be more attention to these details and be careful not to devalue our professions.

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Alexandra H Member Since: Jul 30, 2015
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Funny that a job for which most people applied with moderate (adequate) quotes of around 200 dollars then went for 8,000.

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Robbie B Member Since: Oct 30, 2015
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I'm with Luis on the filters here. There should be something in place telling clients the minimum hire amount by country. If a budget is listed for $50 and the works going to take 10 hours, it makes no sense inviting freelancers from US, UK, Canada, Australia, etc with a high cost of living. Besides, there are legal minimum wages. 

 

I'm in the UK and I was invited by another UK business looking for freelancers to work for $3 (less than £2.50 per hour) because they didn't have the budget to hire part-time staff.

I can understand businesses being affected by government-enforced wage schemes, but UpWork shouldn't be a way for companies to flout the laws. 

 

If only UpWork could put their tech's to work creating an average earnings filter by country so clients can go to the right places with their low budgets.

 

"It appears your budget is below this countries average earnings threshold. You may consider hiring freelancers in this region". 

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Christine A Member Since: May 4, 2016
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Robbie B wrote:

 

If only UpWork could put their tech's to work creating an average earnings filter by country so clients can go to the right places with their low budgets.

 

"It appears your budget is below this countries average earnings threshold. You may consider hiring freelancers in this region". 


My job feed is now defaulting to UK-only, and anyone who lives here is well aware of the cost of living but - as you already pointed out - some still want to hire UK-only freelancers for $3/hour. And as long as there  are plenty of newbies and desperate freelancers who are willing to work for that amount, nothing is going to change. I would be very surprised if that wasn't the case in the US-only job feed as well. So can we please stop blaming people from developing countries for the low pay rates?

 

Anyway, if freelancers have the right skills and experience, they can charge a fair rate for their services regardless of what country they're living in. You wouldn't be doing them any favours by saying to clients, "I see that you have a low budget; you might want to only hire freelancers from such-and-such country." That would be incredibly patronizing and wrong.

 

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Robbie B Member Since: Oct 30, 2015
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Hi Christine,

This


"So can we please stop blaming people from developing countries for the low pay rates?"
My bad.


I never meant to offend or blame developing countries. I typed without thinking about how it comes across. I meant a lower cost of living. Like for what it would cost in one country to do a weekly shop, a months rent could be paid by hiring someone there.

And even that sounds wrong. I'm meaning inexperienced and pitching at the lower end of the scale to get experience. Not, you'll get this done for that much by going here. I've never and never would suggest a client go to x place. (I should shut up.)

I see how it reads. Apologies.

"Some still want to hire UK-only freelancers for $3/hour."

That's the one I don't think should be allowed to be posted. I know, freelancers should use judgment and not bid on things like that. I just think UpWork could do more protect the less confident from being taken advantage of. 

Does that make sense?

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Christine A Member Since: May 4, 2016
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Robbie B wrote:

...it makes no sense inviting freelancers from US, UK, Canada, Australia, etc with a high cost of living. Besides, there are legal minimum wages.  


Based on my 19 years of experience bidding on freelance websites, I've made my own observations about which country has the highest proportion of cheapskate clients and low-bidding freelancers. I can't say which one because I'll be "edited for community guidelines" (plus there are definitely exceptions to my general rule) - I'll just say that it's not one of the developing countries that Americans are always complaining about. (It might even be one of the countries that you've mentioned above.)

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Igor B Member Since: Mar 4, 2018
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"I've been seeing, for the past few weeks, some absurd offers that totally degrate my profession."

 

Totally agree. For the past two-three weeks project budgets in a nishe I am highly specialised/proficient are more then ridicilous! It is a sad situation -  after 2 years of constant engagement and positive experiance  /Top rated freelancer JS 95%/, I am thinking about alternatives.

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Wendy C Member Since: Aug 24, 2015
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Folks, ty and remember to factor in the obvious things like economic downturns caused by political havoc from Brexit to trumponian tariffs.  All businesses react to these ongoing scenarios ...

 

i.e., it ain't all Upwork.

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