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Change Current Upwork Connects policy

Community Guru
Tiffany S Member Since: Jan 15, 2016
11 of 22

Abinadab A wrote:

 

 

Upwork has decided that quality and quantity don't usually happen at the same time, and that one has to be chosen.


It's worth noting that they've made this decision as the only entity involved that has access to every single proposal submitted by every single freelancer....in other words, they are the only ones who can possibly know what percentage of bids on the average job are complete garbage.

Community Guru
Scott B Member Since: Nov 20, 2015
12 of 22

Russell T wrote:


Sorry Scott B, 

I am not buying the whole "Way to many proposals" chant, sorry I am not. This is speaking from someone that has done hiring for a solid 16 years before becoming a freelancer. I would regularly filter hundreds of applicants to find the gems. I was always greatfull to have more then less candidates. So it's lazyness sure, but a a problem for the platform,  no way.

Think about how quickly you tune out fake, spam and junk jobs when looking for right opportunity. It takes seconds to filter. We may complain about junk jobs as many do here, but the fact is no one wants to diminish their ability to post them and rightflully so.

Upwork is in essence just reducing their options to find the gems. Paying for a connect is not going to give you a short list of ideal candidates, its just not. Less for sure, but try and find a gem in 5-10 proposals the laws of probability are just not on your side. 


No need to apologize. You are free to disagree and make your points. The site works better that way.

 

If you wish to talk about hiring practices before freelancing I am happy to. The reality is that in corporations they have something called an ATS (Applicant Tracking Systems) that go a long way to help organize applications and filter out the trash. Additionally, they are run by people (typically recruiters) whose job it is to be front line screeners of potential talent. Now consider a platform like UW. The majority of clients are playing the entire role of recruiter, HR generalist, interviewer, decision maker, PM and investment banker. That's a lot of hats particularly for people whom have never taken on many of these responsibilities before.  Very easy to get overwhelmed and very easy to get spooked with the UW equivalent of the **Edited for Community Guidelines**. I would submit that this experience is not equivalent to filtering through SPAM emails. 

 

I would also suggest that your probability of finding  a gem amongst 10 candidates who felt confident enough about their skills and experience to pay to bid is better than 50 candidates who could apply without cost or care. 

 

 

 

Community Guru
Scott B Member Since: Nov 20, 2015
13 of 22

Would love for a mod to explain why referring to one the most, or perpaps the most, common internet scam is reason for editing my post. 

Community Guru
Abinadab A Member Since: Sep 26, 2016
14 of 22

Scott B wrote:

Would love for a mod to explain why referring to one the most, or perpaps the most, common internet scam is reason for editing my post. 


Hi! Scott.

As a long time member of this community, you ought to know that the Community Guidelines do not allow posters to make derogatory references to another country (what you did).

 

Very likely even with an explanation from a mod, you may struggle to see from that "other" prism and realise that the section of your post that was censored was indeed a derogation, a slur, a WRONG generalisation in your reference to another's country. But you should try.

 

Cheers Smiley Wink

Community Guru
Scott B Member Since: Nov 20, 2015
15 of 22

Abinadab A wrote:

Scott B wrote:

Would love for a mod to explain why referring to one the most, or perpaps the most, common internet scam is reason for editing my post. 


Hi! Scott.

As a long time member of this community, you ought to know that the Community Guidelines do not allow posters to make derogatory references to another country (what you did).

 

Very likely even with an explanation from a mod, you may struggle to see from that "other" prism and realise that the section of your post that was censored was indeed a derogation, a slur, a WRONG generalisation in your reference to another's country. But you should try.

 

Cheers Smiley Wink


I was under the impression that it was the proper name of the scam such as the Ponzi Scheme is the proper name after Charles Ponzi. This specific scam is referred by this name in government publications, main stream media outlets, and support organizations. That said and history teaches us that this doesn't make something appropriate. So I thank you for the education on this topic and the chance to see from a different prism.

 

Community Guru
Tiffany S Member Since: Jan 15, 2016
16 of 22

Russell, you've mentioned your past hiring experience before, and it seems that you're missing some major distinctions.

 

First, a great many Upwork jobs can be completed in a couple of hours and the client rarely or never uses that freelancer again. I'm guessing that in your prior job, you did not spend several hours filtering hundreds of candidates in order to select someone to complete a $100 one-off job. If I'm guessing wrong, then your employer made a very poor investment in leaving you in that capacity for so long.

 

You've also mentioned that you had "primary hiring responsibility." That suggests that filtering those candidates was a significant part of your job. My Upwork clients are attorneys and CEOs who are already doing more than one full-time job (for example, the managing partner of a small law firm who practices law full time and is also responsible for marketing, working with the accountant, choosing technology providers (and so on, and so on, and so on). I'm most often hired on weekends and often hear from my clients at midnight or later (they are all in the U.S.) because that's when they get time to contact me after putting in a 10-14 hour day doing the primary, secondary, tertiary (and several steps thereafter) aspects of their jobs--selecting and managing freelancers, though sometimes important, is usually about their 763rd priority. And, they're often hiring a freelancer specifically because they don't have time to do something themselves. 

 

 

Community Guru
Will L Member Since: Jul 9, 2015
17 of 22

Karim,

 

As recently as November of last year Upwork's CEO was talking about Upwork's "...mission to create economic opportunities so people have better lives. It aims to build a future of inclusive learning and opportunity by serving those at risk of being left behind..."

 

But the realities of being a publicly-traded company whose new shareholders require the company to start making profits appear to be forcing Upwork to become an unattractive place for low-priced projects, so that segment of both clients and freelancers will likely soon be only a memory here on Upwork.

 

Upwork is no longer a platform that allows freelancers who depend on projects valued below $25 or so apiece to make a living. If you have to submit 10 bids costing six connects each on every project you win at that price, you will be spending $9 for income of $20 (after Upwork's 20% fee), or net income to you of $11. Before all connects cost $0.15, your income would have been the full $20 - not an insignificant difference.

 

Good luck finding the right forum for your skills. There is no reason to expect connects will ever be free again.

Ace Contributor
Chris P Member Since: Dec 4, 2015
18 of 22

This thread was actually developing into a rather interesting conversation between Russell and Scott - until that customary by now intervention amounting to a thinly-veiled ad hominem attack on Russell, apparently based on nothing more than a 'guess'.

Why, we might ask, are certain comments here continuously allowed to do pass, while lesser digressions are regularly censored out?

Community Guru
Abinadab A Member Since: Sep 26, 2016
19 of 22

Chris P wrote:

while lesser digressions are regularly censored out?


Slurs must be "lesser" digressions indeed.

Hint: They are not. Irrespective of the country, racial group, or peoples it targets.

Almost every other day, you'll see one or two disparaging mention (usually subtle and implied) of a South-East Asian country or other group. It isn't right.

Sometimes it gets censored.

Other times not.

 

But know that it depends on the personal judgement of the mods.

 

In all cases, we should keep in mind that we (including the one writing this) are all capable of being culturally insensitive at times. Once you realise this you're all good.

 

Ace Contributor
Chris P Member Since: Dec 4, 2015
20 of 22

Actually, I'm all good as it is, thanks very much.

Because the comment you refer to was already edited out before I even had a chance to read it. 

My reference was to other threads entirely and not to this one at all.

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