Jun 16, 2019 05:37:01 PM by Aiza F
Hi,
One of my clients is requesting for a refund for a non release funds on a fix price contract.
I have set up his Dubsado account which our initial contract entailed. I have also sent him an update when I submitted the milestone. I even set up a Zoho account for him as additional support.
He then added a task wherein he wants me to provide him a training of how the application is used, without additional payment 😞
I feel that it is unfair for me to approve of the refund request since I was able to deliver but I worry that if I don't approve of the refund, he will leave me a negative feedback which can affect my profile reviews.
Your thought would be of great help.
Jun 16, 2019 06:35:47 PM by Anonymous-User A
Jun 16, 2019 06:56:55 PM Edited Oct 12, 2020 08:14:27 PM by Preston H
Aiza:
I will be honest with you. We have heard too many stories like this in the Forum recently.
I think many of us - freelancers AND clients - are really tired of these stories of clients abusing the system this way.
Upwork's refund system is simply not meant to be used like this. It should be used very, very rarely.
And although I appreciate your distress at having a client asking for a refund without justification...
The truth is that the refund system is far more harmful to clients than it is to freelancers.
The possibility of getting a "refund" can be a terrible distraction to clients, and can prevent them from moving a project forward. The concept of "refunds" can also cause clients to incorrectly think they have some kind of "reset" button or "guarantee" when they are trying to get a project completed. But no matter how refunds work, they in no way can replace effective, proactive management of project.
Jun 16, 2019 08:03:16 PM by Kathy T
Aiza F wrote:Hi,
One of my clients is requesting for a refund for a non release funds on a fix price contract.
I have set up his Dubsado account which our initial contract entailed. I have also sent him an update when I submitted the milestone. I even set up a Zoho account for him as additional support.
He then added a task wherein he wants me to provide him a training of how the application is used, without additional payment 😞
I feel that it is unfair for me to approve of the refund request since I was able to deliver but I worry that if I don't approve of the refund, he will leave me a negative feedback which can affect my profile reviews.
Your thought would be of great help.
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This client will probably give you a negative review one way or the other. And a job with no money paid will affect your JSS. So - if you give this client a refund, what would that accomplish.
To give a refund would reinforce the concept that this is how it's done. Add more work and if the freelancer doesn't do it, request a refund - Say the work isn't what they want, ask for a refund - Say they don't need the work anymore, ask for a refund, and tell the freelancer that they will get a negative review if they don't issue a refund.
Do NOT give this client a refund. Start a dispute and if the client doesn't FULLY pay you for the work you did, then take it all the way up to arbitration. .
Jul 5, 2020 02:34:45 PM by Jacob G
How would one go to arbitration with the client. This just happened to me as well.
Jun 17, 2019 08:15:30 PM Edited Jun 17, 2019 08:23:47 PM by Albert B
If you completed your job, the client paid and then asked for more work without pay, they are explicitly violating Upwork's TOS by asking for free work. If the training was not part of the service, package or work that was originally agreed on and paid for, then it is a request for free work if they are basically blackmailing for the extra work.
You should report them to customer support.
From this page: https://www.upwork.com/legal#terms-of-use
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Jul 5, 2020 03:39:16 PM by Preston H
re: "How would one go to arbitration with the client. This just happened to me as well."
Jacob:
Upwork does not offer a way to go directly to arbitration.
If you have a disagreement with a client, you should work it out with the client. Failing to do that, it is possible to file a dispute. That triggers a dispute/mediation period, in which Upwork will encourage the employee and client to work out their differences and come to an agreement.
If the dispute/mediation step fails to bring the contract to an agreed conclusion... then if both the freelancer and client agree to go to arbitration, they can both pay $291 (and Upwork also pays $291), and the matter goes to arbitration.