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motoyen
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Do you think if Upwork started to charge to post a job it would improve the quality of the jobs?

Most other job boards charge to post a job listing but not Upwork. There's no fee and no vetting at all for anyone to post a job. This leads to a lot of scam jobs and abandoned job postings. If I look back through my proposals I can see that a lot of jobs the employer hasn't come back to the website to even check on the listing. 

 

Upwork seems to be going all in on fleecing the freelancers as much as possible but to me it would seem only logical to start charing employers a small fee to post a job as well. 

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spectralua
Community Member

No for sure. No spam\fake jobs - no profit from freelancers. Spamer will post many "jobs" a while it is free.

tjmisny
Community Member

I fully agree.  It costs $10 to post a "Gig" on Craiglist and $45 to post a "Job"... and Craiglist is known as a less reputable place than Upwork.  I think it is well past time for Upwork to implement a small fee per job posting so we get less cheap-skate windowshoppers, scammers and scumbags and more quality clients who are invested in the process. 


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I fully agree.  It costs $10 to post a "Gig" on Craiglist and $45 to post a "Job"... and Craiglist is known as a less reputable place than Upwork.  I think it is well past time for Upwork to implement a small fee per job posting so we get less cheap-skate windowshoppers, scammers and scumbags and more quality clients who are invested in the process. 


Craigslist charges clients a fee but is still filled with scammers and scumbags, and isn't a good place for freelancers to look for work, so why do you think that Upwork should follow their lead?

I actually think Craigslist has a lower percentage of scam/scum jobs than Upwork.  And it's more equitable for freelancers (who do not have to pay to apply).    

 

AND, Craigslist doesn't take 10% of my earnings.

Great, so why are we all here and not on Craigslist?

I also look for jobs on Craiglist.  I've found two 5-figure contracts there in recent years.  

Two? And how many on Upwork?

More than two... but I have spent $0 for the ones on Craigslist and thousands to get the handful I've gotten on Upwork.  I'm not suggesting that Upwork should become a carbon copy of Craigslist.  I am suggesting that having clients pay a nominal fee to post a job would weed out a lot of the window shoppers and scammers, so that freelancers don't waste precious connects money on dead-end job postings. 

yofazza
Community Member

I'm with people who believes that those kind of fees will reduce real clients even more.

 

But I don't want to argue about it, in the end we're all just provide some free insights to the management, where they'll still have/see/make us all as expendable resources.

4540ac6d
Community Member

They can also consider having a team to filter through these jobs and reach out to clients just like how they have a team filtering through freelancer's applications to see if we are violating any terms. If they do have this team already tho, they need to pull up their socks because they are not doing a good job with so many "only fans" jobs slipping through the cracks. 

tjmisny
Community Member

As well as all the "clients" who have posted 10+ jobs without hiring anyone on Upwork... where is the policing of this?  

m-donna
Community Member

I had no idea!  Explains so many things - why?  

celgins
Community Member

I think charging clients a fee to post jobs will lead to something Upwork doesnโ€™t want--fewer clients.

axentrix
Community Member

There are already "fewer clients". And lots of job posters. 

celgins
Community Member

Exactly. Upwork cannot afford to lose more clients, but they can afford to lose a few million freelancers.

48f850a0
Community Member

Charging freelancers didn't lead to fewer freelancers...

 

As long as clients have been able to get things done and at a high quality from Upwork, they will be willing to pay.

 

It's an illusion, real clients with real jobs will pay and those not so sure will hold on until they are sure 


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Charging freelancers didn't lead to fewer freelancers... 


No, it didn't, and that's why they keep raising prices for freelancers. It's really very simple to understand.

Although freelancers would be the most desperate due to they need money to survive and co...

 

But if Upwork removes that 10$ fee to hire and instead places a simple 5$ fee to post jobs, I do believe the impact in terms of response to jobs and overall hire rate will improve. Although this things need to be tested.

feed_my_eyes
Community Member

Imagine that you're walking around a shopping mall because you want to buy some new clothes. Most of the stores will let you come in for free and look around before you commit to anything, but there's this one store that wants you to pay them before you decide whether you want to buy something, just to prove that you're a "serious" customer. Would you shop at that store, or would you take your business elsewhere? (Keeping in mind that this store also has terrible customer service and shelves that are positively overflowing with cheap, useless crap, so as a customer, you're going to waste loads of time sorting through it before you MIGHT find something that's worth buying - would you still spend money just to enter the store, in that case?) 

 

IMO, most of the "serious" clients who use Upwork these days don't post projects at all; they do a search for the most experienced, high-earning freelancers and DM them because they don't want to waste their time wading through bids from AI-crutch wannabes and bots. The few serious jobs that can be found in the open marketplace will disappear altogether if clients are made to pay to post a job; they'd all switch to direct messaging, and if you're a freelancer who relies on sending proposals to find work, you'd be much worse off than you already are.

Excellent example.

 

And, you're right--many clients avoid the massive amount of garbage proposals they receive by posting their jobs privately and inviting the freelancers they want to hire.

tjmisny
Community Member

How many times has this happened to you?  I have been using Upwork 3+ years and this has happened to me only two times and I have the best porfolio in my field on Upwork.  

axentrix
Community Member

2-3 years ago I used to receive lots of invites - both personal and generic. I see that 50-60% of the job posts nowadays have a number of invites sent, it is just my profile gets invites rately -  only when The almighty Algorithm places it somewhere to be seen, 3-4 times a year.

More and more I get the sense that the new Upwork is an experiment funded from somewhere by someone. A large number of users, a digital crowd, forced into a game, controlled mostly by AI. I don't think money from connects is more than money from fees on freelancers' earnings. 10% of the freelancers and also the agencies can afford to enter the game and spend money on connects weekly without any results. Is it enough to make the owners and investors rich?

celgins
Community Member

I don't use Upwork to find jobs these days, but I used to receive many invites, and still do from time to time. Over the past several years, I've declined almost every invitation I've received because I was either too busy or not interested in the job.

 

The fact is, there are thousands of jobs freelancers never see because clients keep those jobs private and only invite the freelancers they want to hire.

All of my new Upwork clients are from invitations now, because I stopped getting a good ROI from sending proposals. I still believe that it's possible to get decent jobs in the open marketplace, but only if you hustle like crazy, and if I'm going to hustle, I'd rather approach non-Upwork clients myself and save the 10% fee and connects costs. But I only get 2-3 good invitations per month these days, whereas it used to be 2-3 per day.

Same here...I used to get 2-3 invitations per day but no invitations in march which usually I get..looks strange to me as I have 282+ profile view ๐Ÿค” 

 

and direct contract now have $10 flat fee and % for client side so they are not preferring this Upwork account opening way and suggest me pay via another method...not 1 client I have 2-3 they suggest me other methods over creating account and flat fee and % instead of they would like to pay me bonus 

It has happened to me twice this year.

 

I rarely apply, because I don't feel like wasting it all to send proposals to jobs that I can tell are scams or will never hire.

 

I have never depended on any single platform or source of income.

"...and I have the best portofolio in my field on Upwork"

WoW that's a bold assertion!! Kudos for the modesty, specially when your profile is private and no one can check that!

I'm just saying; when one doesn't need to show his profile to clients,  why complain about the job offers he gets?

 

 

 

Clients (and us) can see profiles that are set to 'Upwork users only' in the main site.

 

The rotation, will push your profile down below.

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Not in this case my friend. Look for him. His profile is only available if he wishes to share it in proposals or for previous clients.

But hey, if you can see his profile take a snapshot and post it here, i'm kind of curious to know what a "best portofolio" looks like ๐Ÿ˜

His profile is searchable in the main site. He didn't set it to private.

 

"The best portfolio" is subjective, or Thomas might exaggerate it to prove a point, where I agree "worse portfolios" can often appear above the "best" one as exampled on the obvious "original vs fakes" I referenced above.

 

 I did search the guy's name, and there are a lot of "copies" of his profile with the same photo, etc. And we can see the notorious rotation in effect because his real profile is sorted below the fakes.

 

tjmisny
Community Member

Hi all - I just noticed that somehow I have become a topic of conversation....

 

Did someone say that there are copies of my profile with the same photo?  Could someone please share this so I can report it?


 wrote:

Hi all - I just noticed that somehow I have become a topic of conversation....

 

Did someone say that there are copies of my profile with the same photo?  Could someone please share this so I can report it?


Dishonest **Edited for Community Guidelines** freelancers steal profile overviews and portfolio samples from successful freelancers all the time. Do a Google search for one of your key phrases in quotatation marks, or do a reverse image search on one of your portfolio items. You'll probably find several scammers passing off your work as their own, on all of the major freelancing platforms, not just Upwork. 

After a few different Google searches, nothing came up, so perhaps I'm safe.  But I am curious where someone earlier said they saw my photo?? 

yofazza
Community Member

It's not you. I quoted that text from the other post I referenced above, to demonstrate how Upwork sorts a few exactly-the-same profiles. They put the real one (with history/earnings) at the bottom.

 

And yes it happened where not just the description/portfolio copied but the name and photo as well. Although it's probably done just to 'snare' new/unsuspecting client to direct them outside or another account when they got interviewed, we've seen fake profile with AI generated photo got ID verified as well (so much for the trust 'n safety team).

Hi Marco - My portfolio is available to view on the main Upwork site for Upwork members only.  Feel free to check out the 130+ work samples, including Emmy nominated work, broadcast TV spots and award winning short films.  Hope you enjoy!  

Hi Thomas, i had to sign out to see your profile - don't know why.

If it's the "best portofolio", it's not my area so i'm not in a position to judge. but it's definitly a great portofolio as can be checked by the great reviews you have.

 

This woman sounds like Tiffany. 

48f850a0
Community Member

Lol, any info on why she doesn't comment anymore in the community?๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜… 

Yes. I believe she left Upwork. She was making her exit some time ago.

The money is elsewhere, and she doesn't have to deal with all the stuff on Upwork.

No one made her stop commenting. Sorry to disappoint.

 

Tiffany helped more people than you can possibly imagine.

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