Apr 10, 2018 11:49:10 AM by Francisco Martin M
Greetings, Upwork vets and experts!
I have the following two questions: from what I’ve read, if I fully refund a client that has closed a contract and given me a mediocre review, said review will not be visible, is that true? And do the Rules allow it?
More in detail:
My normal course of action in the outside-Upwork world would be to talk to the client and try to find a way out, which I cannot do here since the client blocked me from the Upwork Messenger. I could write a discharge in the Feedback, but I fear that has a risk of backfiring (client may get angry with that and even change the review for the worse), and a discharge itself won't change the Rating (basically I mean: new potential clients are not gonna bother reading my discharge if they don't even seem my profile since it's below 90%)
So, the next course of action I’m entertaining is to refund the client fully, pretty much in a “Satisfaction Guaranteed” sense (I’m 100% certain they won’t use my work so this won’t be a case of “unpaid work”: it was the first milestone of several, if they actually intended to use what I sent them they would just have asked me for more), since I've read in other threads that it will eliminate the review since technically no money exchanged hands.
Which is basically what I'd really appreciate some expert to confirm or deny, if possible!
My question, as noted above, is: can I do fully refund a clinet (even the contract has already been closed), and will that make the negative review disappear (as I’ve read elsewhere that it would)? Is it allowed by the Terms of Use?
For clarity’s sake: I’m well aware that this is not a wise policy long-term, but sadly there are costs to “getting your foot on the door”, so to speak, and a lot of Upwork seems to hinge on that 90%+ rating. If I had several 5-stars jobs under my belt, I would not follow this course since a single bad review wouldn’t have that big of an impact (and, as noted above, I definitely respect the client paying the first milestone). But, right now, I think a full refund in exchange of removing a bad review is an investment I am willing to risk, above all when I think it's not fully deserved, and I have no way to reaching the client.
Thanks very much for your time, and for your insights!
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Apr 10, 2018 12:04:18 PM Edited Apr 10, 2018 12:05:32 PM by Melissa C
Apr 10, 2018 12:04:18 PM Edited Apr 10, 2018 12:05:32 PM by Melissa C
Apr 10, 2018 12:16:11 PM by Francisco Martin M
Aaaha.
That is to say, a full refund will make a 60% review not be shown in the profile, but will still drive another 100% review down to an 80% average, correct?
Then not much point, I guess, since is that 80% that matters. Thanks for the prompt reply, and the encouragement! 😃
Apr 10, 2018 12:20:34 PM by Melissa C
Apr 10, 2018 12:25:04 PM by Francisco Martin M
Yeah, guess I'm worried a bit about the chicken-egg problem of needing a good rating to get jobs to raise my rating (and the cruelty of modern search engines that make a single number be so prevalent, but that's a different discussion)
All in all, though, if nothing can be done to change the existing reviews then the only way forward is, well, literally forward: as you say, get new (good!) ones! 😃
Apr 10, 2018 12:29:24 PM by Petra R
You'll be fine.
It WILL affect you a little for a bit, but you'll get over it. Your profile looks great, your portfolio looks great, grit teeth, onwards and upwards 🙂
Don't look back: You're not going that way (as they say...)
Apr 10, 2018 01:08:39 PM by Francisco Martin M
Thanks for your encouragement! 😃
I guess I'll have to have a chat with my Inner Perfectionist, that keeps yelling about perfect scores being ruined, but he'll understand.
Eventually.
I hope! 😛
But yeah: time to look forward. 😃
Oct 30, 2020 04:04:13 PM by Raveena B
Nov 1, 2020 12:49:41 AM by Bukola O
You are cheating yourself and manipulating the algorithm. Enjoy the money you worked for. I one had a JSS of 37% or 49% and I still did well and landed jobs.
Apr 10, 2018 12:15:25 PM by Amit N
Hi Fran,
Yes, you can give a refund and that should help make the job invisible on your Upwork profile, but it will still affect your job success score.
I suggest, don't worry about a bad review and focus on the next job. That way, you can improve your rating earlier than you might even imagine.
Apr 10, 2018 12:21:54 PM by Francisco Martin M
Thanks for your reply and encouragement; seems to be the consensus around these here parts.
Can't say I can fully embrace the "don't worry" part, since the interviews I'm currently involved in came from private invitations and require a Rising Star/90% rating (and that's mostly why I was considering refunding the unhappy client, since I have no other way to reach them), and now my proposals show that nasty red (!) instead of a nice green 'check' in those spots.
But if the rating itself won't be changed, I guess the wise course of action is what you suggest: focus ahead. Thanks! 😃
Apr 10, 2018 12:29:17 PM by Melissa C
Apr 10, 2018 12:50:27 PM by Wendy C
Fran, before you do anything - read this thread and then wait to see what Upwork's response is.
https://community.upwork.com/t5/Freelancers/Star-rating-changes/m-p/479247#M292372
Apr 10, 2018 12:53:41 PM by Petra R
@Wendy C wrote:Fran, before you do anything - read this thread and then wait to see what Upwork's response is.
https://community.upwork.com/t5/Freelancers/Star-rating-changes/m-p/479247#M292372
That would not affect Fran either way as he has no perk to remove feedback, and that's the only time the 0 star thing appears.
Fully refunded contracts are erased from the public feedback profile completely.
Apr 10, 2018 01:02:06 PM by Wendy C
Petra, it could, however, impact others reading this thread. IF the link cited is a confirmed glitch in U's system, once the glitch is remedied I plan to remove and/or edit my comment if either option is available.
Apr 10, 2018 01:13:08 PM by Francisco Martin M
@Wendy C wrote:Fran, before you do anything - read this thread and then wait to see what Upwork's response is.
https://community.upwork.com/t5/Freelancers/Star-rating-changes/m-p/479247#M292372
Thanks for the tip but yeah, doesn't currently apply to me.
It may very well be useful to others though, as you note in another post.
Apr 10, 2018 01:11:07 PM by Francisco Martin M
@Melissa C wrote:
Fran, the 90% requirement is automatically applied.
You can still get those jobs even without a JSS or a lower one. (...)
Apply anyway. There's literally nothing stopping you from doing so.
Ah!
That's good to know, didn't know that; that's certainly something to brighten my day a bit (on top of being a very useful bit of information), so thanks for that extra tip! 😃
Jul 14, 2020 09:20:23 AM by Md. Zakaria Hossai S
Oct 13, 2020 06:44:47 PM by Shahanur Md S
Hi Melissa C,
What if job is completed, but for review is bad, with job completed,
when refuned, how it will affect my score?
Oct 13, 2020 08:14:03 PM by Avery O
Hi Shahanur,
When a full refund on a contract is processed, the feedback and contract are removed from the freelancer's Work History. However, the private feedback left by the client will still be factored in the Job Success Score.
If you become a Top Rated or Top Rated Plus Freelancer, you will have the option of availing the Feedback Removal perk. Hopefully, you become a Top Rated freelancer soon so that you have more control over your Job Success Score.
Oct 16, 2020 12:19:56 PM by Shahanur Md S
Hello Avery O, Thank you for your kind reply and well wish.
First I wish to be Rising Star, but still no luck.
Oct 30, 2020 04:19:55 PM by Raveena B
May 16, 2022 12:35:42 AM by Shehroz M
Hello,
I have refunded the total amount to my client. But the feedback and contract are still visible on my profile. How much time Upwork will take to remove both?
Regards
Apr 10, 2018 01:20:46 PM by Jennifer R
I took a hit last year which I felt unfair. I delivered within 24h as agreed and lost points for meeting the deadline. I am almost back to be top rated again. Ignore the 90% and deliver your best work (which I think is good, because I read some of it for a job ).
Oct 30, 2020 03:59:12 PM by Raveena B
Oct 30, 2020 06:22:40 PM by Joanne Marie P
Hi Gunjan,
If you have refunded the client in full, the job and the review will not show in your work history; however, it will still affect your JSS.
Oct 31, 2020 12:20:08 AM by Raveena B
I have already refunded the full amount but still showing that job and review on my profile?. Can you suggest me in how many days the bad review will stop showing on my profile.
Oct 31, 2020 12:27:49 AM by Petra R
Gunjan G wrote:Can you suggest me in how many days the bad review will stop showing on my profile.
Give it 48 hours.
Oct 28, 2022 10:06:13 PM by MD RUHUL AMIN K
How long it takes to remove the bad review after the full refund?
Oct 28, 2022 11:31:55 PM by Annie Jane B
Hi MD RUHUL,
Thank you for reaching out. In general, it takes 24-48 hours after the refund is posted for the feedback to be removed.