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fran_macjus
Community Member

Does a full refund eliminate a bad review?

Greetings, Upwork vets and experts!

 

 

 

I have the following two questions: from what I’ve read, if I fully refund a client that has closed a contract and given me a mediocre review, said review will not be visible, is that true? And do the Rules allow it?

 

 

 

More in detail:

 

  • I started my Upwork career with the right foot: got a client that was delighted by my work and gave me a 5-star review, and shortly after a second contract (still ongoing, thus far happy client).
  • Then came the third, which was not the charm: it was a writing assignment, broken in five deadlines; as I delivered (on time) the first installment, the client didn’t like what they saw and cancelled the contract on the spot, also blocking me from the Messenger (so I cannot reach out to them).
  • To their credit, they did honor the first milestone and paid that in full (I have to say I can certainly respect and appreciate that), but,
  • They gave me a 3-stars review, which I think it's a bit unfair (the client is the sole judge for quality, of course, but on other topics like Communication, Availability, meeting Deadlines, etc, I think it was too harsh), and
  • More to the point, it kicked me from Rising Star and way below a 90% rating, which I fear may make it very difficult for me to land another job.

 

 

My normal course of action in the outside-Upwork world would be to talk to the client and try to find a way out, which I cannot do here since the client blocked me from the Upwork Messenger. I could write a discharge in the Feedback, but I fear that has a risk of backfiring (client may get angry with that and even change the review for the worse), and a discharge itself won't change the Rating (basically I mean: new potential clients are not gonna bother reading my discharge if they don't even seem my profile since it's below 90%)

 

 

So, the next course of action I’m entertaining is to refund the client fully, pretty much in a “Satisfaction Guaranteed” sense (I’m 100% certain they won’t use my work so this won’t be a case of “unpaid work”: it was the first milestone of several, if they actually intended to use what I sent them they would just have asked me for more), since I've read in other threads that it will eliminate the review since technically no money exchanged hands.

 

 

 

Which is basically what I'd really appreciate some expert to confirm or deny, if possible!

 

 

 

My question, as noted above, is: can I do fully refund a clinet (even the contract has already been closed), and will that make the negative review disappear (as I’ve read elsewhere that it would)? Is it allowed by the Terms of Use?

 

 

 

For clarity’s sake: I’m well aware that this is not a wise policy long-term, but sadly there are costs to “getting your foot on the door”, so to speak, and a lot of Upwork seems to hinge on that 90%+ rating. If I had several 5-stars jobs under my belt, I would not follow this course since a single bad review wouldn’t have that big of an impact (and, as noted above, I definitely respect the client paying the first milestone). But, right now, I think a full refund in exchange of removing a bad review is an investment I am willing to risk, above all when I think it's not fully deserved, and I have no way to reaching the client.

 

 

 

Thanks very much for your time, and for your insights!

 

 

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holymell
Community Member

Yes. The review will be gone from your profile, but it will still affect your job success score. Since the job was not successful.

Also, I never had issues applying to jobs without rising talent or a JSS. I got hired still. You will, too.

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holymell
Community Member

Yes. The review will be gone from your profile, but it will still affect your job success score. Since the job was not successful.

Also, I never had issues applying to jobs without rising talent or a JSS. I got hired still. You will, too.

Aaaha.

 

That is to say, a full refund will make a 60% review not be shown in the profile, but will still drive another 100% review down to an 80% average, correct?

 

Then not much point, I guess, since is that 80% that matters. Thanks for the prompt reply, and the encouragement! 😃

 

Your score will suffer for a bit, but with so few jobs, it should be very easy to bring it back up. You'll get through this. It's discouraging, yes, but just keep doing a great job with the clients you have/get and that score will get higher very fast.

Yeah, guess I'm worried a bit about the chicken-egg problem of needing a good rating to get jobs to raise my rating (and the cruelty of modern search engines that make a single number be so prevalent, but that's a different discussion)

 

All in all, though, if nothing can be done to change the existing reviews then the only way forward is, well, literally forward: as you say, get new (good!) ones! 😃

You'll be fine.

It WILL affect you a little for a bit, but you'll get over it. Your profile looks great, your portfolio looks great, grit teeth, onwards and upwards 🙂

Don't look back: You're not going that way (as they say...)

 

Thanks for your encouragement! 😃

 

I guess I'll have to have a chat with my Inner Perfectionist, that keeps yelling about perfect scores being ruined, but he'll understand.

 

Eventually.

 

I hope! 😛

 

But yeah: time to look forward. 😃

I have refunded full amount to one client and now please confirm that client posted a bad review on that contract and now will be hide review or delete.
bukyyy
Community Member

You are cheating yourself and manipulating the algorithm. Enjoy the money you worked for. I one had a JSS of 37% or 49% and I still did well and landed jobs.

amit_nag
Community Member

Hi Fran, 

Yes, you can give a refund and that should help make the job invisible on your Upwork profile, but it will still affect your job success score. 

 

I suggest, don't worry about a bad review and focus on the next job. That way, you can improve your rating earlier than you might even imagine. 

 

 

Thanks for your reply and encouragement; seems to be the consensus around these here parts.

 

Can't say I can fully embrace the "don't worry" part, since the interviews I'm currently involved in came from private invitations and require a Rising Star/90% rating (and that's mostly why I was considering refunding the unhappy client, since I have no other way to reach them), and now my proposals show that nasty red (!) instead of a nice green 'check' in those spots.

 

But if the rating itself won't be changed, I guess the wise course of action is what you suggest: focus ahead. Thanks! 😃

Fran, the 90% requirement is automatically applied.

You can still get those jobs even without a JSS or a lower one. I did. I still sent in proposals to those jobs, and I definitely was awarded some (I hate that term, "awarded", but that's the lingo). It's all about your cover letters. Focus on those.

Most clients don't even know that the 90% "requirement" is automatically assigned to their job post.

Apply anyway. There's literally nothing stopping you from doing so.

Fran, before you do anything - read this thread and then wait to see what Upwork's response is.

 

https://community.upwork.com/t5/Freelancers/Star-rating-changes/m-p/479247#M292372


@Wendy C wrote:

Fran, before you do anything - read this thread and then wait to see what Upwork's response is.

 

https://community.upwork.com/t5/Freelancers/Star-rating-changes/m-p/479247#M292372


 That would not affect Fran either way as he has no perk to remove feedback, and that's the only time the 0 star thing appears.

 

Fully refunded contracts are erased from the public feedback profile completely.

 

Petra, it could, however, impact others reading this thread.  IF the link cited is a confirmed glitch in U's system, once the glitch is remedied I plan to remove and/or edit my comment if either option is available.


@Wendy C wrote:

Fran, before you do anything - read this thread and then wait to see what Upwork's response is.

 

https://community.upwork.com/t5/Freelancers/Star-rating-changes/m-p/479247#M292372


 Thanks for the tip but yeah, doesn't currently apply to me.

 

It may very well be useful to others though, as you note in another post.

 

 

 


@Melissa C wrote:
Fran, the 90% requirement is automatically applied.

You can still get those jobs even without a JSS or a lower one.  (...)
Apply anyway. There's literally nothing stopping you from doing so.

 

Ah!

That's good to know, didn't know that; that's certainly something to brighten my day a bit (on top of being a very useful bit of information), so thanks for that extra tip! 😃

 

Hi there,
I am facing same problem. My client give negative feedback. Then I refunded fully, now I look forward what ll happen.

Can anyone says, How many days need for completing bad review remove after fully refund???

Thank upwork community members.
Zakaria
Dhaka, Bangladesh

Hi Melissa C,

What if job is completed, but for review is bad, with job completed, 

when refuned, how it will affect my score?

Hi Shahanur, 


When a full refund on a contract is processed, the feedback and contract are removed from the freelancer's Work History. However, the private feedback left by the client will still be factored in the Job Success Score. 

If you become a Top Rated or Top Rated Plus Freelancer, you will have the option of availing the Feedback Removal perk. Hopefully, you become a Top Rated freelancer soon so that you have more control over your Job Success Score. 


~ Avery
Upwork

Hello Avery O, Thank you for your kind reply and well wish. 

 

First I wish to be Rising Star, but still no luck.

HI Avery o if i have refunded the full amount and then after how many days will remove the bad review and that contract.

Hello,

I have refunded the total amount to my client. But the feedback and contract are still visible on my profile. How much time Upwork will take to remove both?

Regards 

How long it took for you?

I took a hit last year which I felt unfair. I delivered within 24h as agreed and lost points for meeting the deadline. I am almost back to be top rated again. Ignore the 90% and deliver your best work (which I think is good, because I read some of it for a job Smiley Wink ).

gunjangud
Community Member

I have worked very hard fro one client and after completed the job she posted a bad review on my profile now I have refunded all amount to her. I want to confirm about that review will deleted from my profile or not.

Hi Gunjan,

 

If you have refunded the client in full, the job and the review will not show in your work history; however, it will still affect your JSS. 

~ Joanne
Upwork

I have already refunded the full amount but still showing that job and review on my profile?. Can you suggest me in how many days the bad review will stop showing on my profile.


Gunjan G wrote:

 Can you suggest me in how many days the bad review will stop showing on my profile.


Give it 48 hours.

Thanks for update I will wait.

Hey, How long it took for you?

imrahulkhan
Community Member

How long it takes to remove the bad review after the full refund?

Hi MD RUHUL,

 

Thank you for reaching out. In general, it takes 24-48 hours after the refund is posted for the feedback to be removed.


~ AJ
Upwork
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