Aug 2, 2020 01:14:15 PM by Matthew C
Hey, clients, you've heard that some freelancers have fake feedback, right?
And hey, freelancers, you've noticed that some project ads look fake right?
Well, what if there's a connection? It's quite simple: an unethical freelancer creates a fake account (or gets one of his/her friends to create a fake account), posts a fake project, hires himself/herself, and gives himself/herself fake feedback.
And all the real, ethical people lose: real freelancers waste connects on those fake projects and real clients might be duped into hiring freelancers with fake feedback.
(I was looking just now at a project I lost where someone was hired with no "Interview". That seems suspicious. No interview? Then I looked at other projects posted by the same person, and the feedback between both client and freelancer was very generic, like "Great freelancer!" and "Great client!" It occurred to me there might be a scam going on there.)
Aug 2, 2020 05:08:15 PM by Joanne P
Hi Matthew,
Could you please share the job post link via PM so I can check with the team? Additionally, if you see a job or invitation that looks suspicious or inappropriate, you can flag it using the flagging option. You can read more on this help article and also, please check out Tips to avoid questionable jobs.
Aug 2, 2020 11:44:15 PM Edited Aug 2, 2020 11:46:05 PM by Tonya P
Matthew,
I can tell from your posts that you have a very analytical mind and enjoy exploring all the details of how Upwork's ecosystem works. And, I believe you are correct, there are freelancers who attempt to game the system by acquiring fake reviews. I imagine if you did a search using your web browser, you would probably eventually find sources where you could sign up to be a fake client or freelancer (but I've not tested this theory.)
The bottom line is: It is what it is. Yes, some people will cheat. There are hundreds of thousands of freelancers using Upwork and similar platforms. There are many clients who never hire anyone. There are guarantees and individual protections are limited.
So you have a choice to make. Given all the negatives, injustices, and ways to game the system, can you still find legitimate work that pays well enough to justify the financial and opportunity costs of purchasing connects and sending proposals? For a lot of people, the answer is no. Test the system out, accepting that it is imperfect and see if you can make money. But try not to get too caught up in the many ways in which it is flawed. If you look at the existing posts in the forums, you'll see that the flaws have been present for a very long time. We may not like them, but the most successful freelancers learn to work around them. GL
ETA: I have found that most of Upwork's job search, proposals and other stats are delayed, inaccurate or just plain don't make sense. So, I wouldn't assume that no interview took place prior to the hire based on what you can view on the job history.
Aug 2, 2020 11:55:27 PM Edited Aug 2, 2020 11:57:15 PM by Petra R
Matthew C wrote:I was looking just now at a project I lost where someone was hired with no "Interview". That seems suspicious. No interview
So? Maybe the client just hired from the proposal or had worked with the freelancer previously. Not everything requires an interview.
Matthew C wrote:... the feedback between both client and freelancer was very generic, like "Great freelancer!" and "Great client!" It occurred to me there might be a scam going on there.)
You tend to run out of things to say.... With my repeat clients I also just keep it short, especially for small contracts.
There **ARE*** instances of feedback building, but generally the feedback for fake contracts is the opposite. It is overly gushing, elaborate and unrealistically enthusiastic. The value is generally very low.
Aug 3, 2020 01:18:54 AM by Jamie F
I've been hired with no interview.
As for feedback - there was somebody in this group just a couple of weeks ago with what looked like very suspicious feedback. You'd think the freelancer had just saved the world rather than just doing the job they were hired to do.
Aug 3, 2020 01:46:14 AM Edited Aug 3, 2020 01:47:24 AM by Tonya P
Jamie F wrote:I've been hired with no interview.
As for feedback - there was somebody in this group just a couple of weeks ago with what looked like very suspicious feedback. You'd think the freelancer had just saved the world rather than just doing the job they were hired to do.
🕵️:female_sign: Goes to check feedback to see if it is :fire:
Nope. Don't think it's me. 🤔
Aug 3, 2020 02:08:39 AM by Petra R
Jamie F wrote:
As for feedback - there was somebody in this group just a couple of weeks ago with what looked like very suspicious feedback. You'd think the freelancer had just saved the world r
over and over again....
and funnily, all the client's other freelancers (all from the same country) were also saving the world over and over.... and those freelancers' other clients left the same kind of feedback and so on.... a whole happy-clappy web of freelancers and clients from the same country... all singing each others praises in the most elaborately overly gushy terms....
May 16, 2021 11:00:19 PM by Jason G