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Fraud Client *Edited*, I need Help !

zedwebsolution
Active Member
Harminder S Member Since: Aug 4, 2016
1 of 13

Hi Upwork Community Team,

Please read my comments and see the attachment !

I got cheated from a client name **Edited for Community Guidelines** , First he asked me to work on outside the Upwork and I told him to hire me on Upwork. He Negotiate my hourly price and hired me, He told me that he will have number of tasks to do so I told him that before every task I ll give him the hours estimate, he agreed and I gave him Homepage design estimate of 10 hours. When I completed homepage design and he give me good feedback and finalized it and told me that do html and implement it on his shopify website.  

 

He just gave me 10 hours weekly limit even I ask 20/week (he told me he ll increase later on), When I told him to increase hourly limit as before moving to development he himself enabled manual hours and told me that to work on simultaneously on design and development and logged manual hours.

My developer worked on manually done some part of work,  suddenly he disabled the manual hours before we logged in and told me that he ll take care of it, you can work with Upwork clock for further tasks. 

After that we worked with clock and he told he need that task completed before Sunday, which I did and asked me for estimate of further tasks on Monday. Suddenly he ended the contract and putted the 30 hours  dispute (total of the week) and gave the Irrelevant reasons to Upwork support team,  He never showed any little concern about all the reasons he mentioned in dispute. Even he was very happy with total work and giving me comments like "Awesome" "Great Work" etc etc. 

In his second dispute comment he mentioned I approached him for outside Upwork, Fortunately I have Upwork chat where he is asking me for outside Upwork. I shared all the proofs in Dispute. 

I didnt get any response from Upwork dispute team and just wondering that "Is Upwork favoring to client all the time?" I have 8+ year experience in Upwork and never had this kind of experience, I have agency account and 100% success rate. The client have joined Upwork on July 2017. 

I just want and request to  Upwork Support team  that please go through Our Chat History and saw the attached proofs. 

The client is not standing in his dispute comments  and changing after one another. 

I want to strongly maintain my Trust on Upwork. 

Please HELP me. 

Thanks

 

 

yitwail
Community Guru
John K Member Since: Feb 17, 2015
2 of 13

Harminder, I don’t think you will get much help from Upwork because you used a “developer” and by Upwork rules all work must be done by the hired freelancer himself on an hourly job.

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zedwebsolution
Active Member
Harminder S Member Since: Aug 4, 2016
3 of 13

Hi John,
Thanks for your reply.

I have a agency account and I am a Staff Manager. 
My Profile is designer (I did the whole design work ) however client approched me for development too and allowed me manual hours himself. 

Also client approching me for Outside Upwork before Hiring, please see attached on main message. 

Also he is lying in his dispute which proved in our Upwork chat history.

Still I ll not get my money?

please advice

holymell
Community Guru
Melissa C Member Since: Jul 22, 2017
4 of 13

The work done through the time tracker, as long as you were doing the work requested by the client and you wrote/changed memos as you worked and your activity levels were over a five on those screen shots- that work will be paid to you because it is guaranteed. Oh, and as long as your client had a verified payment method, which I'm guessing he did.

The manual time will probably be refunded to the client because manual time (or time tracker screenshots with low activity levels or without meaningful memos) doesn't qualify for payment protection.

Anyway, I hope it all works out for the best.

kochubei_valeria
Community Manager
Valeria K Community Manager Member Since: Mar 6, 2014
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5 of 13

Hi Harminder,

 

I see you already have a support ticket about this issue and our Dispute team will be contacting you separately if you and your client are unable to resolve the dispute on your own. Posting names, chat transcripts and private information is not allowed here in the Community.

 

I'd also like to reiterate that agency freelancers have to be hired on a separate contract and can't log time on each other's contracts.

We encourage freelancers to review contract terms and ask the client to make adjustments if needed before accepting the offer.

~ Valeria
Upwork

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atinderkaur
Active Member
Atinder K Member Since: Nov 30, 2017
6 of 13

Hi Valeria K

Thanks for your prompt response,

zedwebsolution
Active Member
Harminder S Member Since: Aug 4, 2016
7 of 13

Hi Valeria K

Thank you for your reply
"Posting names, chat transcripts and private information is not allowed here in the Community."
Regarding this I am new to community and didn't knew, thanks for correcting me.

Yes I have support ticket and wiaiting positive response as I have submitted proofs.

Last question Regarding
"agency freelancers have to be hired on a separate contract and can't log time on each other's contracts."

The Logged hours with clock is done by me only and the client told me  to add manual hours of developer.

is it under Upwork policies ?
Thanks

kochubei_valeria
Community Manager
Valeria K Community Manager Member Since: Mar 6, 2014
8 of 13

Harminder,

 

Users aren't allowed to log into each other's accounts and time (automatic or manual) can only be loogged by the person who does the work on the contract.

~ Valeria
Upwork
zedwebsolution
Active Member
Harminder S Member Since: Aug 4, 2016
9 of 13

 Valeria K


Thank you for your Valuable information.
I really appreciate  !

 

Thanks

bobafett999
Community Guru
Prashant P Member Since: Sep 29, 2015
10 of 13

@Harminder:

 

I have not worked much on Upwork, but let me share general impression. In Upwork world client is the king. 

1. Never work on hourly contract with manual entry - you have zero protection.  If client gives you 10/hr per week just work 10 hours.  Why do you care if the project is not finished?

2. Fixed price contracts in general are useless. Clients have habbit  of changing the goal post and squeeze more work out of you.  In my case one of them paid for one (very promptly.)  For the second he threatened that "Unless I do this and that' he won't release funds.  It was a major milestone.  Even if you do fixed price break it down in as little little chunks as possible.  That way you are not out of too much time.  Upwork dispute resolution is a joke.  Basically they are just a postman relaying your info and client info back and forth.  Upwork will always favor the client (remember there are millions of freelancers but not that many clients).  In the end if client is stubborn there is nothing they will do.  They will suggest an arbitration service that costs arm and a leg.

3. Never give out the work in progress to client.  In my case that guy wanted to buy my work for the existing milestone price.  I had more time invested  so I refused.  Of course,I did take a major hit in my rating.

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