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Free work - this made me really cross

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Kim F Member Since: Aug 26, 2015
1 of 26

I received an invitation to bid on a project via an 'Upwork Project Success Talent Specialist'. A requirement for the project is to submit a custom sample of work. It's clearly stated in the listing. Although I reported it, the project remains live as it's being 'escalated'.

 

Refusing the project on the grounds that I can't supply unpaid samples makes me look like a whiny pedant. Complying with the request (although I wouldn't) puts my account at risk, especially as it's now been reported. Whilst I can understand that requests such as this appear with monotonous regularity, the fact that it's been referred to me means that a member of staff has already reviewed it and decided it's OK. 

 

Why? In what world is it a good idea for Upwork to recommend projects that conflict with its own terms of service?

 

Irritatingly, in other circumstances I'd have probably bid on this.

 

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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
2 of 26

Complying with the request would categorically NOT put your account at risk.

 

No, I am clearly not saying that you should do the free work, but you could still accept the invite, explain Hat you don't do free samples, but are still interested. Just because a client asks for something does not means we have to do it....

 

 

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Kim F Member Since: Aug 26, 2015
3 of 26

Of course it doesn't and I have expressed interest but queried the required free work.

 

> Complying with the request would categorically NOT put your account at risk.

 

Doing something that is against the terms of service that I have already flagged up as such would not put my account at risk? It isn't a chance I'd be prepared to take.

 

But that isn't really the point. 

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Reinier B Member Since: Nov 3, 2015
4 of 26

Kim F wrote:

Of course it doesn't and I have expressed interest but queried the required free work.

 

> Complying with the request would categorically NOT put your account at risk.

 

Doing something that is against the terms of service that I have already flagged up as such would not put my account at risk? It isn't a chance I'd be prepared to take.

 

But that isn't really the point. 


 Ask a moderator to put a note on your profile that stops "Talent Specialists" sending you invites. I did just that and I have not been bothered since.

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Kim F Member Since: Aug 26, 2015
5 of 26

No, I'm not objecting to being sent invitations for projects. Just those that require me to contravene the terms of service.  That isn't something I should have to request.

 

To forward the request to me in that way, the staff member *must* have read the project post. 

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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
6 of 26

Kim F wrote:

 

> Complying with the request would categorically NOT put your account at risk.

 

Doing something that is against the terms of service that I have already flagged up as such would not put my account at risk? It isn't a chance I'd be prepared to take.


 There is nothing in the terms of service which forbids a freelancer to agree to give a free sample / test / whatever.

 

I have made many 10s of thousands of Dollars from a contract which included an unpaid testing phase (NOT a work sample) and which was arranged by an Upwork Recruiter (not a talent whatsit) for an Enterprise client.

 

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Kim F Member Since: Aug 26, 2015
7 of 26

Requesting custom samples used to be prohibited. I hadn't realised the rules had changed. Great. That'll be a project already half done by the current bidders, then.

 

Edited to add:

> I have made many 10s of thousands of Dollars from a contract which included an unpaid testing phase (NOT a work sample) and which was arranged by an Upwork Recruiter (not a talent whatsit) for an Enterprise client.

 

That's lovely for you, but this was not a test. It was also a small project.

 

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Preston H Member Since: Nov 24, 2014
8 of 26

Kim, requesting that freelancers do free work STILL IS prohibited on Upwork.

 

But Upwork had no prohibition against freelancers providing free sample work, etc.

 

There is a nuanced difference between the rules for freelancers versus clients.

 

That is what Petra is saying.

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Kim F Member Since: Aug 26, 2015
9 of 26

requesting that freelancers do free work STILL IS prohibited on Upwork.

 

Clearly not as this post has been reviewed and allowed.

 

> But Upwork had no prohibition against freelancers providing free sample work.

 

OK, mea culpa. I can't afford - time or money wise - to work for nothing, however, 

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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
10 of 26

Kim, I do totally agree with you in principle, and would also not do any free nonsense for a small (less than several thousand Dollars) contract.

 

Preston, thanks for interpreting what I was trying to say Smiley Happy

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