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Freelancers pay higher rates

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Virginia F Member Since: Feb 15, 2016
21 of 38

Mark F wrote:

Valentine C wrote:

Camila, you are doing a huge mistake, if think about Upwork, like comunity. It is a business. And we - freelancers - are not a friends for Upwork! We are a resource, not more. Resource, that gives them a money!
You can answer: "Ok, no problem. But they have to care for each resource".In this case, I'll say: "Why? This resource refills every day"
Look around, you will notice the same people who are defending Upwork on the forum, and say that everything is perfect and we are just moaners. The situation is not an issue, not a problem for Upwork, you don't open their eyes here - they know, it is their existing strategy


Upwork is far from perfect.  If you are paying attention the very people you are talking about say so all the time.  The just may not agree about what the most critical imperfections are.  For example, here:

https://community.upwork.com/t5/Freelancers/Are-talent-specialists-still-interfering-with-the-bids/t...

 

I personally believe something very similar to what you are saying and almost posted it.  Upwork does not care about freelancers, not about me, or you or Camila.  Also like you that resource refills every day they can afford to waste it.

 

I just don't care.  Upwork is a useful tool.  It works for me.  If it stops working for me, I will just move on.  Upwork will not care one bit that I do.  


But ... but Mark, you might have to give your mug back if you move on. Then you'll have drink your Beliinis out of one of those red plastic cups. Oh, the humanity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

because this thread needs a little levity ...

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Tiffany S Member Since: Jan 15, 2016
22 of 38

Valentine C wrote:


Look around, you will notice the same people who are defending Upwork on the forum, and say that everything is perfect and we are just moaners. The situation is not an issue, not a problem for Upwork, you don't open their eyes here - they know, it is their existing strategy


In about 2.5 years as  very active forum participant, I have literally never seen a single person suggest that everything is perfect or that there are no problems here. The only time those phrases (or anything that suggests something similar) are ever used is when freelancers who don't like that successful freelancers disagree with them lie about what has been said--even though the actual statement is right there above for everyone to read.

 

Here's something you might actually learn about the people you view as "defending Upwork every day" if your mind was ever-so-slightly open: most of us make several thousand dollars here every month, even though most of us use Upwork as only one of many sources of clients. 

 

What do you think is better for your business: to dig in your heels and prove us wrong, or to listen and understand how we're making so much money here?

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Chris P Member Since: Dec 4, 2015
23 of 38

Mark F wrote:

 

 

 

......because I only speak for myself....

 

 


No big news there....  Smiley Happy

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Wendy C Member Since: Aug 24, 2015
24 of 38

Those who can make U. work for them should stay. 

 

Those who can not make U. work for them should go elsewhere. 

 

It is that simple.  

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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
25 of 38

Camila C wrote:

I stand with what I said, if you don't agree with me, move along.


Seriously? This is a public discussion forum and you come skipping in here, pretend to speak on behalf of "us", and then try to dictate that only people who agree with you may post?

 

You may want to quietly sit down and take a deep breath, and then take a long hard look at where the 20% / 10% / 5% we pay Upwork actually comes from... (Hint: It comes from the clients.)

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Margot F Member Since: Sep 20, 2019
26 of 38

a lot has been changed since I started from Upwork... It's just disheartening I can't seem to grasps their reasoning why they are doing this... im an Asian and the dollars spent in applying for those jobs really hurt...they may not hear us freelancers for now....but hopefully, it won't be too late for them when they do...

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Emma M Member Since: Jun 29, 2019
27 of 38

Margot F wrote:

a lot has been changed since I started from Upwork... It's just disheartening I can't seem to grasps their reasoning why they are doing this... im an Asian and the dollars spent in applying for those jobs really hurt...they may not hear us freelancers for now....but hopefully, it won't be too late for them when they do...


This is the major issue I have with having to buy connects. They are **only** 15 cents - that's is USD. Once freelancers in other countries convert that to their own currency it can get quite expensive, and of course that changes depending on the exchange rate. I purchased 4o connects recently. $6USD = $10AUD because we also have to pay GST on top of that. I honestly can't even remember if I got any jobs out of that money I spent. It does make you wonder whether there is also a thought to push away any freelancers that aren't in the US eventually. 

 

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Tiffany S Member Since: Jan 15, 2016
28 of 38

Camila C wrote:

Hi! I'm a client but also a freelancer. I recognize when I need help from another freelancer in other things and that is why I activated this account. It has come to my attention that UPWORK is more helpful, and caring about their clients but not the freelancers. In fact, the clients also have to pay an amount when you hire someone,

 

No, clients pay "some amount" as a payment processing charge. It's the same as the charge one person or the other pays for every credit card transaction, business paypal transfer, etc. Upwork has to pay it to accept credit cards, and passes the fee it is charged on to the client.

 

but the rates ar higher when you are a freelancer. So my question is this, WE, the freelancers, are the ones who get the work done, why do we have to pay more in order to work???

 

Because we are the ones who are purchasing services from Upwork--services that save us a lot of time and money. Upwork spends a fortune advertising to clients so that they all come and cluster in one place here and we don't have to spend time and advertising dollars finding way to reach them on our own. Most experienced freelancers who have done the math will tell you that 10% is a bargain for that time savings.

 

WE are the ones who are struggling, WE MAKE UPWORK. I need answers. This is UNACCEPTABLE!


If it's unacceptable to you, your recourse is not to participate. But, it's worth noting that Upwork is a business, and as such is not in the business of catering to freelancers who are "struggling." And, in fact, "struggling" freelancers don't "make Upwork." Upwork makes its money from freelancers who make a lot of money and pay a lot of fees. 

 

You're not paying to work. You're paying for Upwork's marketing services, payment processing, payment protection and other services. If you don't find that those things are worth the money, then it of course makes sense to stop buying them.

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Chris P Member Since: Dec 4, 2015
29 of 38

Oh dear, here we go again, where some (but not all) regulars here are correctly called out for attempting to control the narrative on these pages - in a biased way, of course.

They just wont allow other freelancers to have a say in anything at all - even including the higher-earners now - and then cutely self-kudo one another all along the way.

 

Step aside bots - the real people here have something to say. Don't like it, then go create your own self-wallowing thread.

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Tiffany S Member Since: Jan 15, 2016
30 of 38

Chris, we obviously have no power to "allow" other freelancers to say or not say things.

 

The things you and others have decided to believe we are trying to suppress have been the subjects of dozens or hundreds of threads, many of which have been combined into massive threads with thousands of posts. There is nothing being suggested in any of these threads that hasn't been raised, discussed, suggested, and ultimately ignored or rejected by Upwork many, many times. 

 

Obviously, it's no skin off the noses of successful freelancers if others choose to focus on things that can't help them improve their businesses and continue to live in a constant state of frustration. And, that is exactly what is happening, because these freelancers quite frequently make reference to their misery and struggles. 

 

Everyone here has a choice to make: moan about what a massive entity you can't control should be doing, or figure out the most profitable way to run your own business (with or without Upwork). Frankly, I don't much care which a person chooses. I hate to see anyone fail and suffer unnecessarily, but some people are committed to it with their whole hearts and I can't change them any more than I can change how Upwork operates.

 

The reason I, at least (and I suspect many of my colleagues) raise counterpoints so often is that I do not want those who are content to fail as long as they can say it is someone else's fault to infect innocent newcomers.

 

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