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Hours for Fixed-price Jobs

kschafli
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So, what I'm running into is that I have worked well over a hundred hours on fixed-price jobs but only one hour in hourly jobs. So my profile says that I've only worked one hour. Clients who require a minimum of 100 Upwork hours think I haven't met that requirement. If I record the hours of my fixed-price jobs on the time tracker app, will it add them to my profile even if I'm not paid hourly?

 

If not, this seems like a serious issue for me since many clients have a minimum Upwork hour requirement.

 

Thanks to anyone who can clarify this.

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Kristen, recording hours for fixed-price jobs is for informational purposes only and has no effect on the hours worked that's displayed with your profile.

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robinbd4u
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Kristen S wrote

 

So, what I'm running into is that I have worked well over a hundred hours on fixed-price jobs but only one hour in hourly jobs. So my profile says that I've only worked one hour.  

 

So it is clear that if you record hour from fixed price jobs then your profile hour will not increase. So do not record hour for fixed price jobs. 

That's not clear to me because I haven't recorded hours for fixed-price jobs. I'm wondering if someone has and knows that they don't contribute to the hours displayed on our profiles.

 

I don't want to record hours for fixed-price jobs if they're not going to show up, especially because I don't know if they'll be sent to my client, which could be confusing since they're not paying me hourly.

Kristen, recording hours for fixed-price jobs is for informational purposes only and has no effect on the hours worked that's displayed with your profile.

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loredana-b
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There is no way to increase the number of hours worked except for working on hourly contracts.

 

BUT you can still apply to jobs that require 100h worked, and you can mention in the cover letter that you do have Upwork experience, but you mostly worked on fixed price contracts.

 

In fact, I think most clients choose that option because they hope they will get more experienced applicants, and I'm sure they have no idea that this system basically leaves out excellent freelancers that just happen to prefer fixed price jobs.

This answers my question precisely. Thank you!

...and I'd say, that's just misleading at the very least and very unfortunate, indeed.

 

Are the hiring people on Upwork confident that shall they put a minimum 1 Upwork hour to their requirements for the freelancers, they'd instantly kick out sheer numbers of decent contributors who happened to complene only Fixed-price contracts?

 

What are those hiring people who put minimum 500 Upwork hours even thinking about, just out of curiosity???

Upwork has been promising for at least a year to show at least the number of Fixed Price Jobs that show in our Proposals.

 

For those of us that do many Fixed Price jobs, I am convinced that this failure to display really hurts us.

 

I have just 46 hours worked but over 60-70 hours more in Fixed Price Jobs.  So, I still "Don't Qualify" for jobs posted seeking 100+ hours. I have mentioned my Fixed Price hours and total actual hours in my Proposals but they may never get read.

 

I respectfully ask for an honest answer when this shortfall will be remedied for the benefit of qualified Freelancers as well as for their potential clients.

 

Joseph M. C. ,P.C., CPA/ABV

Hi Joseph,

 

I understand your frustration. However, there is still work that the team needs to do in this area and we don't have an exact ETA. Rest assured that there are some changes coming with the way freelancer experience with different types of jobs is represented on their profiles and search.

 

Meanwhile, you can still apply for jobs that specify more hours than you have. Experienced freelancers with great profiles like yours often hired even if they don't meet all of the clients preferences.

~ Valeria
Upwork

Valeria,

 

 

Thank you. I will be patient for a while.

 

But it really is a big inequity and we have been asking for this for a long time.

 

Note earliest post on this thread.

Joseph M. C. ,P.C., CPA/ABV

I have also worked a lot of hours on a fixed price jog. But i only have 5 hours of hourly paid job. Why do i often see the requirement for at least 100 working hours as a criteria in employers job offerings? That is a lot of work. What options do employers have to select hours worked? Is it in steps of 100 hours? 

 

Forgive me for saying but 100 hours is a lot of work when you take in account most freelance jobs.

It is more than frustrating when we see the "team" working on something as useless as allowing clients to see whether or not we've read their messages* (hint: Worst. Idea. Ever.)

 

I use my own time-tracking software on my fixed rate jobs for my own purposes - I have worked well over a thousand hours between Upwork and Elance. Clients should be able to see the number of flat rate jobs we've worked - surely this does not involve rocket science ... does it?

 

*Sometimes I just wonder about Upwork's priorities with what needs fixing.

Hi Mikkel and Virginia,

 

The team responsible for that particular feature is working on a solution that would give freelancers' experience with fixed-price and hourly jobs equal visibility. 

 

Please, note that we have multiple teams and they are responsible for different parts of the product. If new features are developed and introduced it doesn't mean that it takes time and resources away from other areas.

~ Valeria
Upwork

Well, that's something.

Hi Valeria,

why doesn't Upwork just 

1. take fixed price jobs income
2. divide it by e.g. half the hourly rate of the freelancer
3. publish both numbers as 
- hours worked on hourly pay
- hours (est.) worked on fixed price jobs*

and explain the little "*" by giving your formula. 
In my case that would  be e.g.
50 hours worked on hourly pay
ca. 300 hours worked on fixed price jobs.

Key would be an adjustment of the clients' search criterion "hours worked" to be applied to the sum of both.

What do you think?

Best

Justus


Thanks for your suggestion, Justus. At this point the team doesn't have any immediate plans to change the way hours worked are reflected on freelancers profiles, however. 

~ Valeria
Upwork

Hello Valeria,

 

I have just finished my first job here on Upwork, translation of 30000 words. It was a fixed price job and I was really excited about getting some 'Upwork hours' in and therefore having a better chance of getting more jobs. My question is, has there been any update on this? 

 

Thakns,

Petr

Hi Petr, 


Please know that only hours logged on hourly contract will reflect on the number of hours worked on your profile.


~ Avery
Upwork

Well then, it's now back to the beginning, isn't it?

 

I wonder in which way you mean it's "Solved"? Doesn't look like it.

Valarie

 

Still waiting for this to be fixed. any timeframe?

re: "Still waiting for this to be fixed. any timeframe?"

 

There is no "fix" coming.

This is not "broken."

Upwork has made it clear that hours will not be accumulated by fixed-price work.

 

This has been explained. Fixed-price contracts are paid on the basis of deliverables, not hours worked.

 

If this is an issue for a freelancer, then they may choose to:

- work on hourly contracts instead of fixed-price contracts

[or]

- work on other platforms, where their fixed-priced contracts count toward hours

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