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I've been scammed - How an I request credit for my proposal points

ranree
Active Member

I'm new here at Upwork and still learning my way around. Buy here's my story and I would like to contat Upwork to kindly request credit for my 2 proposal points because of this matter.

 

A company responded to my proposal and scheduled an online interview on Google Hangout (which was text-based). The person introduced himself as a highing manager for **Edited for Community Guidelines**, which the company name was not previously disclosed on the Upwork posting. It did raise an eyebrow that his Google Hangout address was a gmail address, and not one for **Edited for Community Guidelines**.

 

He started off by asking my age, gender, and location. Hummm, i ignored and only sated my city/state for this part of the conversation. Nonetheless,  he moved on and gave me a summary of the job and asked mutiple very general questions relating to my work experince, I did not think much about it at the time since i assumed there was already a certain level of vetting and review of my resume prevuious to this call. Afterwards put me on "online hold" to get approval from the dept head... 10 minutes later he returns and said I was "offically qualified" to start working with them. He then starts giving me information, and a long list of all the software that I'm going to need to do this ongiong admin job etc... The list was a bit overwhelming, as I know a ton of software, it seemed a bit odd that all of this would be required for an online admin job, additionall the list never included basic software like Excell or Word...

 

Then its starts getting officially weird, he tells me that they're going to send me a check for $2900 so I can purchase all of this software and any other supplies I needed to start the job. Moments later he tells me that they will send me this high end laptop. I started feeling a bit uneasy and started thinking, well, what type of respectable and large company would send you a latop and not already have the software installed,  That doesnt even make sense for their own security reasons. And I have never been sent a check to go buy software for a comany and install it myself, even if i needed to order something for myself it wou lbe on a company credit card OR charged directly to the company's account... that's the way it works folks.

 

Anyway, I then asked for a bout the 3rd time "when will I see the offer on upwork, or an offer letter. He continues to tell me that it's coming with all the materials that he already stated and that now he needs my name, adress, phone, etc... Good thing this was all on text, it gave me an opportunity to do a quck google searcha to find that this exact same scenario has played out time countless times with may other unsuspecting job/work hunters. These scammers want to send you a check so you can deposit it... not sure what happens after that but i didn't want to find out. 

 

I then responded again and said... "so when is the offer coming", he seemed to be slightly aggravated at that point and says : I told you, when we send you these materials, you need to send me your address and theother information"... I then responded by saying, Thank you, I'm going to take a pas on this opportunity.

 

I have now gone back to the initial posting and and flagged as inappropriate/fruad. I hope Upwork would be so kind as to credit back my 2 proposal points.

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yitwail
Community Guru

Randall, I'm glad you weren't taken in and you flagged the job. If Upwork cancels the job, you *are* supposed to get your connects back. As you discovered by Googling, this is a common scam at Upwork. Another common one requires you to pay a small fee for a work permit. Most of these scams can be avoided by following 2 rules: 

 

  1. never send money to get a job
  2. never accept payment outside Upwork, such as by check or PayPal
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yitwail
Community Guru

Randall, I'm glad you weren't taken in and you flagged the job. If Upwork cancels the job, you *are* supposed to get your connects back. As you discovered by Googling, this is a common scam at Upwork. Another common one requires you to pay a small fee for a work permit. Most of these scams can be avoided by following 2 rules: 

 

  1. never send money to get a job
  2. never accept payment outside Upwork, such as by check or PayPal
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"No good deed goes unpunished." -- Clare Boothe Luce

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Hi! Randall,

 

Thanks for also sharing this on the community and well said by John that sometimes I was getting also an offers to work outiside Upwork and get paid directly through Paypal or Direct bank deposit, hopefully Upwork will update you soon.

Regards,

Jaswinder Singh

What are some of the signs to avoid from reading their work post?


@Randall J wrote:

What are some of the signs to avoid from reading their work post?


 The second someone says "Google Hangout" - RUN!

 

New account, seemingly offering an unusually high rate, payment method not verified, talking about a "hiring manager" etc etc etc

kdgcom
Ace Contributor

What initially caught my attention... They kept referring to **Edited for Community Guidelines** (hiring manager) as He and Him.
Also I googled the company profile.
**Edited for Community Guidelines** is with the company but she is on the board of directors for a 2.8 Billion dollar company with 22,700 employees and most certainly would not be conducting person interviews

petra_r
Community Guru

@Randall J wrote:
These scammers want to send you a check so you can deposit it... not sure what happens after that but i didn't want to find out.

 They send you the check, you deposit it, it "appears to clear" - you send the money to the so called supplier, who is actually the scammer himself because there is no job, no laptop, no software.

 

A few days later the check OF COURSE bounces, and you owe the bank $ 2900.

 

Wow... but they woud only be giving someone a check only to get the same amount back... maybe I'm not getting it. Either way, I'm so glad I didn't fall for it, but very disappointed because I thought I landed a project.

Wowzer... that's bananas! It's good that I'm skeptical of just about anything these days. Not a good practice anyway for people to draw on money that hasn't been confirmed "cleared" in your bank account.


@Randall J wrote:

Wowzer... that's bananas! It's good that I'm skeptical of just about anything these days. Not a good practice anyway for people to draw on money that hasn't been confirmed "cleared" in your bank account.


That is why those scammers only target US victims. The funds "appear" cleared... it is only days or even weeks later that they turn out to be fake. 

Someone said they were going to send me a check for $150 to assist me in setting up an office. They sent a digital check for $3,350. They insisted that I copy the check on my cell phone and deposit it electronically. I played along with them and told them that I had deposited the check, but I did not deposit it. They asked me to send them proof that the check had been deposited. I told them I would not know if the bank had received my electronic deposit until the next morning. They said I was lying and the bank would send me an immediate notification. I was on Skype with the scammer and closed it. The next morning I logged on to Skype and there was a message threatening to have the FBI, CIA, and local law enforcement come to my house and arrest me for mail fraud. I shut Skype down and have not logged back on for three days. I'm waiting for law enforcement to show up.

I have contacted Upwork and sent them all correspondence I received.


Thomas K wrote:

Someone said they were going to send me a check for $150 to assist me in setting up an office. They sent a digital check for $3,350. They insisted that I copy the check on my cell phone and deposit it electronically. I played along with them and told them that I had deposited the check, but I did not deposit it. They asked me to send them proof that the check had been deposited. I told them I would not know if the bank had received my electronic deposit until the next morning. They said I was lying and the bank would send me an immediate notification. I was on Skype with the scammer and closed it. The next morning I logged on to Skype and there was a message threatening to have the FBI, CIA, and local law enforcement come to my house and arrest me for mail fraud. I shut Skype down and have not logged back on for three days. I'm waiting for law enforcement to show up.

I have contacted Upwork and sent them all correspondence I received.


You gotta scam bait them better. Get a receipt from an ATM and shoop the deposit and send them proof. They will send you bank account numbers to transfer the funds and you can report those to the bank. 😎😎😎

Hi Thomas,

 

I'm sorry to hear about your experience. A member of the team has already responded to your ticket and is awaiting your response. You should also be able to access the ticket directly here.

 

Please note that all conversations before a contract is started must be through Upwork Messages, where you can send messages, have video calls, and more. 

 

Please check this thread for more information on how to use the flag option found on each job post or message to report any suspicious or inappropriate content. Also, check out this post for more tips on how to avoid questionable jobs.

 

Thank you!

~ Bojan
Upwork
kdgcom
Ace Contributor

I got a similar offer yesterday...same Software scam but the company is called **Edited for Community Guidelines**.

 

I have flagged the job post, contacted upwork via email and I contacted the FBI.

 

I managed to get a phone number from the scammers by playing dumb so I have turned all the info over to the FBI

They're not giving you a check worth the same amount. They give you a totally fake check worth nothing and you give them real money.

Yep that's the whole scam. You are stuck with a huge over draft and likely to face criminal charges.

I have been with Upwork since 2011 and have never had this happen. I guess there's always a first time.

 

 

kdgcom
Ace Contributor

Also, I find it hard to believe that hours later, after I have notified Upwork and flagged the post it is still active.

These people are continuing to invite and "interview" people. 

kochubei_valeria
Community Manager
Community Manager

Hi Randall and Logan,

 

It looks like accounts of clients you are referring to have already been limited. The team will also take actions against job posts shortly and connects should be returned to you.

~ Valeria
Upwork

Thanks. Personally I don't see why Upwork allows people to post ads without a verified payment method.

If they can't verify their payment method then what good is the post anyway?

It would help protect freelancers from scammers and keep people from being able to post the hundreds/thousands of ads that they never intended to follow through with.

Hi! Logan,

Yes i do agree with you without verified posting the job is sometimes really pain in ass because sometime i recieved the messages for somekind of promotional and signup spams thats really annoying and time wastage thing.

we keep quoting this idea over multiple times, but then being said it is not effectively possible and so on, but we keep seeing floods of complaints and same suggestions. Not sure why it is still happening.


@Logan K wrote:

Thanks. Personally I don't see why Upwork allows people to post ads without a verified payment method.

If they can't verify their payment method then what good is the post anyway?

It would help protect freelancers from scammers and keep people from being able to post the hundreds/thousands of ads that they never intended to follow through with.


 

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