May 16, 2020 02:15:41 PM by Antonia B. V
Hi,
I know this is not a new thing that we are suposed to write a new invoice with our numbering and say in it that it regards the invoice Upwork made for the same client that has that and that number and so forth - wich honestly would alert even a newbie tax man in the less fiscal country.
What I realised today is the following:
When we withdraw we do for a total amount wich can include more than 1 completed task - this is the case of every freelancer making hourlies..
the italian law alows billing to person A and being paid by person B for that invoice as long as such is made clear in the CAUSALE .
But with the money we gat BULK from Upwork covering lets say 3 task? I should withdraw = receive in my account the exact amount that is billed to the client by Upwork.... guess what... that cannot be
Now we go for the fun ride. Bare with me.
So let me make a scheme. Presume I have one only client A
At the end of the week I withdraw the pay from the job for A - MINUS the FEE, minus the transfer fee, minus the conversio fee.
Then I make a correct invoice that must correspond to the Upwork invoice right? Where I put in what Upwork puts in IN MY NAME.
That cannot be because that amount will never result paid by upwork towards me. Upwork will pay me the A-fees and taxes...
Do I get my self clear dear Upwork? How can I invoice my client with lets say 100 dollars when what upwork sends me is 80 dollars?
Every Invoice must have an equal pay received.
Then the fee Upw keeps 10-20% should be paid after the amount is sent else, Upwork as third party in the freelancer-client relation is wrong and cannot be considered as the third party that pays for the invoice I produce for the client.
Conclusion? Invoicing and being regular is impossible
May 16, 2020 02:18:22 PM by Antonia B. V
Another thing: if we withdraw by PayPal the cumulative amount there is no indication of what that amount really rappresents!!! What invoice it's about.
So, logically someone would say: invoice Upwork for the exact amount they pay you since you cannot award and split a pay that is lower than the invoices you would produice if you would make correct invoices directly to clients
Jan 5, 2021 12:58:10 PM by Anna S
Hi Antonia did you find a solution for the issue you clearly described ?
May 3, 2022 01:09:21 PM by Rozanna T
I have the same question. I would also think that our invoice should be addressed to Upwork because they are the company we actually recieve the payment from. Plus we may not have enough relevant info from the client to include on the invoice?
Otherwise I was thinking to group all work from one client together on an invoice, and also indicate on the invoice the fee that was subtracted by Upwork. Are we allowed to do that on an invoice? Idk I'm new to upwork and sort of new to freelancing in Italy. This is confusing.
May 3, 2022 09:13:11 PM by Elisa B
I just create an invoice featuring the actual amount of Euros I get in my bank account, after the deduction of Upwork fees, transfer fees and USD > EUR currency change fees. The invoice is issued to Upwork and I don't list a breakdown of clients I worked for, nor the corresponding amounts. That's what my accountant instructed me to do.
Jun 14, 2022 08:24:16 PM by Antonia B. V
I make
1 autofattura for the fee- it is a service upwork provides and is billed to my VAt so I have to.
1 fattura for the final client for all the amount converted to euro at the date of the invoice DUE ( the upwork invoice due date = day the money are paid towards upwork by the client)
All confirmed by not one but more than 1 dottore commercialista reale not online services.
Jan 16, 2023 10:41:13 AM Edited Jan 16, 2023 10:42:57 AM by Dario F
I got the same suggestion from my accountant (although she suggested me to include Upwork fees, as they are considered a work cost), but then who/what e-mail do you send the invoice to?
Jun 14, 2022 08:29:26 PM by Antonia B. V
I will post you here something. Plkease read it carrefully as it is part of the contract you signed with Upwork.
This the italian translation of the piece located here
https://www.upwork.com/legal#relationshipwithupwork
Offriamo un mercato del lavoro: una piattaforma online in cui gli utenti possono trovarsi e connettersi tra loro. Non siamo coinvolti direttamente nelle tue negoziazioni o nella fornitura dei Servizi di Freelancer e non siamo parte di alcun accordo che potresti stipulare con altri Utenti. Sei l'unico responsabile per i tuoi contenuti pubblicati su Upwork e per i tuoi accordi con altri Utenti, incluso il controllo reciproco e le prestazioni ai sensi degli accordi.
I liberi professionisti sono responsabili del pagamento delle proprie tasse, dell'ottenimento della propria assicurazione e della conformità alle leggi e ai regolamenti applicabili.
Sep 5, 2024 03:24:30 PM Edited Sep 5, 2024 03:27:18 PM by Luca Z
hey everyone, I know it's a bit too late, but I am new to this and I was wondering if what I am about to say is correct:
- I have a partita IVA Forfettaria. when I receive both the invoices from upwork, I have to make a single invoice that includes the total amount to upwork (the fee as well as i have to pay the taxes on that if I got it right).
- or should I do an "autofattura" with the fee and a regular one without the fee to upwork?
I am very confused, sorry.
Thanks for your help.
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