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bgreek65
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Interesting Job?

There is someone from the UK constantly posting for someone to read his 10 minute audiobook, and asking how much it will be, opening accounts like crazy, and posting like every 5 minutes for this job.  This has been going on for about a week now.  He asks for fixed price in some posts, hourly in others.

 

Then a couple of days ago, the same person starts posting for 30 minutes of audio, doing the same opening accounts like crazy stuff, and this time, Upwork marks the job as an "interesting job".  Really?  If they can classify this as an "interesting job", why can't Upwork track all of this down, and take care of this annoying poster??  The posts are all over the place.  PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!!!

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m_phillipson
Member

Have you tried clicking flag as inappropriate?

There seem to be so many of them, both US and UK, and with very similar wording, that I think the only way to report them is to flag them as spam in the "Flag as inappropriate" drop-down menu. It would take hours to report each one individually. I hope a mod will intervene and take a look.

Done.  But they creep up every few hours, and what is particularly alarming is that UPwork flagged this as an 'interesting job".  Upwork can track what we ate for breakfast, what time we go to sleep, and how often we use the bathroom daily with some algorithm, but they cannot monitor their own system for this stuff?  Oh wait, redundant question.  

lysis10
Member

This reminds me of the guy on Elance (curse jar) that would post 20-30 jobs to write college tips articles. When I was new and didn't realize he was doing it, I applied. He told me to lower my bid to $1/article and that the advantage was that I could write as much as I wanted.

 

Yeah, no.


@Jennifer M wrote:

This reminds me of the guy on Elance (curse jar) that would post 20-30 jobs to write college tips articles. When I was new and didn't realize he was doing it, I applied. He told me to lower my bid to $1/article and that the advantage was that I could write as much as I wanted.

 

Yeah, no.


 That guy on Elance (curse jar) never gave up, and he popped up in Kenya, UK, US - you name it . . .


@Nichola L wrote:

 That guy on Elance (curse jar) never gave up, and he popped up in Kenya, UK, US - you name it . . .


 I never understood what his angle was. He never paid anyone but nobody ever complained either. I remember looking at his history and he had 100s of jobs open and very little paid out. To me it would seem that if he was getting free work it would have been obvious but he did it for a long time.

I always flagged him/her (in a very good flagging system), and so did others. He/she/they was a permanent thorn in the (swearbox) side, and was constantly complained about in the forum.  He/she/they were also constantly removed, only to pop up a few weeks (sometimes days) later. 

lenaellis
Member

Hi Chris, 

 

Could you PM me the job post, I'll have our team take action if necessary.

 

-Lena

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Lena, there are a lot of them. You need to check the page - perhaps pages.

I can PM you 20+ job posts I just flagged.  This person put them in every category imaginable under "Voice Talent".  Cannot miss it.

Lena


I PM'd you the link to one of the jobs, the one marked "interesting job" by Upwork.

Any only at Upwork Comedy moment with this.  His posting for 30 minutes has been removed from the "interesting job" category with Upwork, only to have the "interesting job" tag now put onto his endless 10 minutes audiobook postings in 30 categories.  Really UPwork?  This is putting your best foot forward??

69297078
Member

I haven't seen the post but if this guy is simply asking for different voices as narration for his ebook and willing to pay someone,  that sounds like a legitimate job......... however his constant job listings for the same job is a violation of TOS I'm pretty sure. 

I scambled through the listings for translation jobs today. Right at the very top a post was highlighted in blue as being an "Interesting Job".

 

Now, I am new to this feature or better, this feature is new to me. I always thought that a job should be interesting in positive ways BUT I was taught different!

 

The respective post has 20 to 50 Applicants for "a German translator" (not many!)

 

It was created SEVEN days ago and has up to today ZERO interviews held with the contestants!

 

NOW, how interesting is that? Looks fishy to me, for sure.

 

What is this supposed to tell me about the quality of the site AFTER raising their cut to 20% + VAT?

 

 

I agree Dietmar.  The "Interesting Job" feature is really not working.  As you say they are several days old, and in my case most are totally irrelevant as I do not fit the skills required.

I saw one post for 'academic writers', i.e. for a group writing term papers, flagged as an 'interesting job'.

 

After glancing through a few others marked as 'interesting', I honestly thought an Upwork staff member had just discovered sarcasm.

Kim .... 

 

Lol, I guess that was sarcasm

vladag
Community Manager
Community Manager

Hi Kim,

 

Could you please send me the link to that job post in a pm, so I could confirm and address it?

~ Vladimir
Upwork

Done.

vladag
Community Manager
Community Manager

Thanks Kim,

 

I've shared the job post with our team for further review.

~ Vladimir
Upwork


@Kim F wrote:

I saw one post for 'academic writers', i.e. for a group writing term papers, flagged as an 'interesting job'.

 

After glancing through a few others marked as 'interesting', I honestly thought an Upwork staff member had just discovered sarcasm.


Kim wins the Internet. 

42bc8f02
Member

Hi all - 

 

Thanks for the feedback and I'm sorry we're not currently filtering out clients like that from the 'interesting job' section. I'll review this with the team to see what other restrictions we can put in place to avoid this in the future. 

 

Right now, I'm thinking (out loud here) we need to add:

- The client has hired before

- The client has spent X amount 

- The client has a hiring rate of Y

 

As we'e been digging into this, it's interesting to see that Upwork is not really a two sided ecosystem - clients and freelancers - but rather a three sided one - clients, freelancers, openings. 

 

The changes won't be immediate, but they will happen, and I'll update everyone regarding the timing once I get a better handle on the situation. In the mean time, if you have any other suggestions/criticisms please let me know. 

 

As always, thank you. 

Tam, honestly, this "feature" is not worth your time and effort. There is no algorithm you can come up with that will filter the "interesting" jobs from every other job with any kind of accuracy.

 

Your time would be so much better spent working on filtering out the scams, the mis-filed jobs, the clients who are trying to post to a specific freelancer but post publicly instead, the freelancers who post jobs to advertise their own skills, the jobs with one line descriptions, the jobs that require "trial" work for free or stupid keywords in the application - won't that keep you busy for awhile?

 

It sure would improve the experience for freelancers who spend HOURS AND HOURS sorting through the crap trying to find REAL contracts, which are few and far between these days.

"Your time would be so much better spent working on filtering out the scams, the mis-filed jobs, the clients who are trying to post to a specific freelancer but post publicly instead, the freelancers who post jobs to advertise their own skills, the jobs with one line descriptions, the jobs that require "trial" work for free or stupid keywords in the application - won't that keep you busy for awhile?"

 

This will definitely keep me busy, and it's something I'm very interested in solving. I've been researching this issue for the past month or so, and am starting to put a plan in place. Like you, and every one else, I don't want these jobs showing up.

 

We have one small feature, that needs some dev estimating, which might be able to alleviate some of the issue here - hiring rate filter. Let me double check where we are on this and provide an update at the beginning of next week. 

 

 

Tam, I agree that your team should not invest your limited resources in algorithms that are sending jobs to freelancers, or are flagging interesting jobs. People can search interesting jobs by themselves and there is already a RSS feed.

 

You need to invest your precious time to prevent people from wasting Upwork's resources and contractors' and clients' time by posting fake or scammy jobs and fake or duplicate or plagiarized freelancers profiles.

 

There is a lot to do with this respect.

 

For instance, a client who posts a ton of jobs withing months and never hires anybody should be paused and investigated. This client is stealing from you by hiring off-platform, and this behavior is very easy to detect algorithmically.

 

A provider whose profile contains sentences from other profiles should not be approved and should be investigated with a view to being permanently banned. This too may be automatized with indexing.

 

And nice glasses ๐Ÿ™‚

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"Where darkness shines like dazzling light"   โ€”William Ashbless

Tam - I would also consider average hourly rate paid.  That's a big one.

Tam,

 

[OT, but as you must know, Upwork does not accept profiles that have, for example, funky shades (sunglasses) the size of a face. I'm not quite sure what sort of example this will set for  wannabe freelancers who have not fully understood the mechanics of either freelancing or Upwork.]

 

The shades (sunglasses) rather rob your questions of gravitas, which need serious answers.

 

Just sayin', ๐Ÿ˜‰

 

Nice to see you back again Tam! ๐Ÿ™‚

Valeria yelled at me about this already. Will change once I can find a suitable picture ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

Wait too long and your account could get suspended.

Wait ... what? There's an "interesting job" section? Does it involve a secret decoder ring ... is that like the top rated forum I never knew existed?  Quick comment - "interesting" would be totally subjective ... just sayin'. 

 

Now ... where did I put those psychedelic glasses I wore to Woodstock?

aocumen
Community Manager
Community Manager

Hi Virginia, 

 

You may know more about "Interesting Jobs" here. If you have some feedback on this feature, you can let us know by posting on that thread. 


~ Avery
Upwork

Since I've never seen this feature, I can't comment on it. Judging by the emails I'm receiving via the "job digest" postings for top rated, I'm not hopeful.

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I think you should ignore it, it's really the too much old job and also unverified payment. 

Please note that "unverified payment" means nothing other than the client has not set up a payment method yet. There is nothing wrong with that. It only goes sideways if you start work before payment verification is set up.

Dear Tam L

 

Seeing that you are so engrossed with the "interesting job" feature, which could be a good thing, how about setting criteria already mentioned (money spent, average amount/job)? Added to that, date, client response time and feedback (JSS?) could be some other criteria to evaluate whether a job is really "interesting".

 

Certainly, a job that is situated at 1 or 2 cent/word cannot be interesting at all (when it comes to my area of translation). 

On the other hand, clients that are willing to spend a fair amount, which will upkeep my feeding and living habits, are surely to be classified as interesting.

 

Just my 5 pennies worth

Tam,

Kudos on the insight that job postings are their own "entity," with their own potential screening parameters, distinguishable from (if perhaps overlapping with) those for clients.

The debate over revenue volume via job volume vs. profitable revenue via job and contractor quality has raged for a while in the forum. Upwork seems to have come down firmly on the latter position. That suggests a core business-strategy case for any reasonable development cost focused on improving marketplace quality, let alone the mandate to make client and contractor matchups more effective and efficient.

Thanks and best,
Michael