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wlyonsatl
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Is Boosting Organic Proposals Useful?

If, as Upwork claims, proposals submitted in response to client invitations are 5 times more likely to include the winning proposal,  this means boosting organic proposals is largely a waste of time, effort and money.

 

Or have I gotten my math wrong?

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nav_designer
Community Member

Very very very useful only for Upwork, because even top-rated freelancers are only getting hired once in a blue moon. Upwork is making money from newbies; all professionals are not working and applying for jobs because of the so-called "casino" system, where everyone is putting money into the fire.

I agreed with your words this absolutely true where I am the one who particularly wasted my times and money too

virtualbrix
Community Member

Personally, I am not a huge fan of boosting proposals. I would rather submit more proposals than boost a couple.

celgins
Community Member

I have always thought that boosting a proposal is a waste of money and effort.

 

When boosting first started and clients weren't "hip to the game," I think it helped some freelancers because their proposals appeared in one of the top four spots in the client's Review Proposals list. Clients thought these were highly skilled freelancers being recommended by Upwork. But over time, clients realized the four boosted proposals often came from inexperienced freelancers and bots attempting to get noticed.

 

Now, only eligible freelancers can boost and eligibility is determined by the algorithm's assessment of how good of a match you are for the job and the client's requirements. With that, the four boosted proposal spots should be filled by better qualified freelancers, but the algorithm isn't perfect and still gets it wrong many times.

 

As a result, I think clients might be suffereing from a bit of "ad blindness." The boosted proposals appear in the same spot, with the same boosted badge, and clients may have consciously or unconsciously learned to ignore the information due to poor ROI.

 

So, even though Upwork won't reveal how it determines its "...5 times more likely to include the winning proposal...," it makes sense. When a client invites a freelancer, the client has already (hopefully) reviewed the freelancer's skills, qualifications, and eligibility and has made note of it. To me, this means the client is interested and wants to gauge the freelancer's interest. I think the chances of winning the job is higher in this scenario--higher than an organic bid and/or a boosted bid.

8d16a1fd
Community Member

Yes I feel same thoughts off all where Upwork does not pursue it clearly. 

williamtcooper
Community Member

Yes, submitting proposals is mostly a waste of time and money unless you were invited.

William T C,

 

That certainly appears to be increasingly the case.

It is rare that I make a sale by bidding on a job.

 

I got lucky last week and landed a larger job by bidding but it is the exception.

 

Bidding wears me out because I have a 50% view rate, a 12% message interaction, and maybe 5% hire rate.

 

All while being very careful on what is bid on.

Here one thing clear while old freelancer enjoying it caused they don't have any issues off upgrades as long as they invited but if we talked about me it's been 5 month I joined and we'll maintain the boost program for grabbing something unfortunately its went wasted like my bidding connect will not reverse after decline the post also each month paid off $22 without doing anything in Upwork then all useless as much as Time is money and we all needed too that. 

 

It is extremely important to speak English on this site to be successful.

rekasesh
Community Member

A "funny" story regarding proposal boosts:

 

I was recently (2 days ago) invited to a niche job. As I was online at 10 pm, I replied within 10 minutes of the invite arriving in my chat box (I didn't know about the new charge for invites). There were only 2 direct proposals and 3 unanswered invites at that time (like most people here, I tend to check the JD, client details, no of proposals, and more). 

 

But, the boost column showed that all four slots were filled with boosts ranging from 25 to 16.

 

I am not insinuating anything, but how is that possible? You might say that others posted their proposal while I was opening mine. The prob is that it was for a vegan recipe development job and the average food writer, chef or home cook doesn't apply to these jobs because they know the client is looking for specific skills and experience.

 

Obviously, today the post has around 10-15 proposals (according to the system), 3 active invites, and 1 unanswered. The new client has made it private after I informed them that you have to pay to put in proposals.

It's OK to insinuate something, Rekha S., if the facts bear out a reasonable conclusion.

wlyonsatl
Community Member

I still get a lot of irrelevant invitations (such as very low budget or irrelevant to my expertise). Those I just reject without any explanations other than the dropdown menu options.

 

If I can't tell whether a job is related to my expertise or not, I now refuse the invitation with the following notation to the client:

 

"Thank you very much for inviting me to submit a proposal on your project, but Upwork now charges me for every invitation I respond to. As a result, I only submit proposals on well-defined jobs I believe I am a perfect fit for. I wish you the best of luck finding the right freelancer for your project."


 Will L wrote:

If I can't tell whether a job is related to my expertise or not, I now refuse the invitation with the following notation to the client:

 

"Thank you very much for inviting me to submit a proposal on your project, but Upwork now charges me for every invitation I respond to. As a result, I only submit proposals on well-defined jobs I believe I am a perfect fit for. I wish you the best of luck finding the right freelancer for your project."


Perfect.  I did similar, except you have a better way with words than I do!

lysis10
Community Member

Boosting was really good for me in the beginning, but it lost its effect when they had bots bidding 50 connects automatically. I stopped at that point. I haven't put out an open market bid since around March, but I quit boosting several months prior to that.

That's seems to be a general theme here - "I tried boosting but it was not worth the time/effort/cost."

 

Maybe this is what prompted Upwork to start charging connects to reply to invitations. Lord knows what they'll charge us for next.

That is a very good theory. I never boost!

Jennifer,

 

You don't usually say things here that you don't know to be true.

 

How do you know there are bots clogging the job proposal lists before real freelancers get a chance?


 wrote:

Jennifer,

 

You don't usually say things here that you don't know to be true.

 

How do you know there are bots clogging the job proposal lists before real freelancers get a chance?


They had a bot problem where people would make fake accounts and use the free 50 connects they got to boost on jobs. If you stick to the US Only feed, you probably didn't see it. It only happened in the worldwide feed since you don't need to verify your account until you make money, and you can't get into the US Only feed without validating info. You could tell it was bots, because there would be 3 boosted bids all for 50 connects within a minute. 

 

It's probably why it's taking 48 hours for new accounts to get connects and why they have to buy connects now to bid.

 

If you search GitHub, you can find the scripts for creating accounts and then you could use a service to automatically bid.

wowsers!

So, I suppose the owners of these bots thought they could use 50 free connects on their one and only boosted bid. And they assumed they'd win enough jobs and earn enough money from those jobs to make the time and effort worthwhile? 

elisa_b
Community Member

Well, at least they no longer give 50 free connects to newbies - unless they purchase a connect bundle or a Plus subscription.

That was discussed quite often a few months ago, Will. I'm surprised you didn't notice. There were quite a few complaints from the clients as well.

 

When even clients complained about the obviously fake account proposals they received, something should have been done immediately, right? No, they took it slowly, monhts, before they finally "stopped" that free connects for new accounts.

 

That's one reason I think it's all part of a master plan (it's fine if people say I'm a conspiracy theorist):

 

  • Raise fee it from 5% to 10% because data said that the loss from complainers who leave, will still be lower than the profit from those who "submit".

  • Reduce fee from 20% to 10% and open the gate as wide as possible. Raise cost, add boost, profit!!1. This  have a side-effect of people creating fake accounts and bots, but allow them, until data hinted us to stop them.

  • Lost of people said from the start that boosts are bad for clients etc., but most people didn't know or didn't care, so watch the data. When data said boosts are really no longer good, apply it to invitations instead. We can see many veterans said boosts are great at the time it was introduced, where they changed their mind right now, or have left instead.

  • There are a few others but I don't remember right now.

 

 

So, I suppose the owners of these bots thought they could use 50 free connects on their one and only boosted bid. And they assumed they'd win enough jobs and earn enough money from those jobs to make the time and effort worthwhile? 

Yes and I wrote in the "no circumvention threat" post in the Client forum, about how the botters are kind of "required" to circumvent (and that's the reason of the post, and the adjustment of the email/link filter in the messaging feature).

virtualbrix
Community Member

I think a lot of people are using AI tools and automated tools for bidding.

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