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Is Upwork doing anything about 'forgetful' clients?

I have a sizable number of proposal that sit without any activity for weeks. They might look like this:

Posted 30 days ago

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Activity on this job

  • Proposals:  20 to 50
  • Last viewed by client:  30 days ago
  • Interviewing: 0
  • Invites sent: 0
  • Unanswered invites: 0

Essentially, client created a job, 20 to 50 people wasted their connects and time to apply, but client abandoned the job the same day it was created.  Would be great to get back connects in cases like that.

 

 

 

 

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wlyonsatl
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Upwork will never agree to refund credits spend responding to this kind of job posting, but freelancers should probably not apply where a) there are already 30+ proposals sent to the client and b) the "Last viewed by client" is more than a week or so.

 

Those aren't hard rules, but Upwork will occasionally remind us that most jobs posted on Upwork are filled within a couple of days of posting. If a client hasn't looked at their job posting in a month, they aren't likely to hire anyone who sends a proposal on Day 31.

Viktor, youโ€™re Top Rated with 100 JSS so if wasting connects bothers you, then mainly apply to jobs posted by clients who have spent lots of money at Upwork. You can be more selective than a new freelancer whoโ€™s struggling to get hired.
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I bet 90% of these 20-50 proposals were done in the first 2 days. Sadly, there is no way of knowing in advance if the job gets abandoned.  


Victor S wrote:

I bet 90% of these 20-50 proposals were done in the first 2 days. Sadly, there is no way of knowing in advance if the job gets abandoned.  I wish there was a client rating that would show jobs posted vs jobs filled ratio. 


Well there is, it's called the hiring rate.

Even when I use all my connects in a billing cycle, the open proposals are just a handful, so the jobs I apply to disappear very fast. To me that says that I selected well - even if I was not hired, somebody else was, and I have correctly judged the client a serious one. 

I rarely (if ever) check if a job post I applied to or was invited to has hired anyone.

I apply and forget all about it unless and until I am contacted by the client.

 

I'm with Martina and Petra on this one.

 

Vet your clients before applying. Personally, if the hire rate is abysmal I don't apply.

 

And...I don't check back on jobs I applied to. The client decided against hiring me for his or her own reasons, and that's that. Maybe I'm being overly-practical but I may never know if, or why, a job was awarded elsewhere so it just isn't helpful. If I've done my side of things - written a great proposal, made sure the job was a fit for my skills, applied early (usually - for example, I'm not as likely to apply a job that was posted 7 days ago), and vetted the client as best I can, then after that, I let fly. ๐Ÿ˜„ It'll happen or it won't.

As far as I remember, proposals are eventually archived by Upwork. I get emails telling me when mine are. I never bother to check them. 


Melanie H wrote:

I'm with Martina and Petra on this one.

 

Vet your clients before applying. Personally, if the hire rate is abysmal I don't apply.

 

And...I don't check back on jobs I applied to. The client decided against hiring me for his or her own reasons, and that's that. Maybe I'm being overly-practical but I may never know if, or why, a job was awarded elsewhere so it just isn't helpful. If I've done my side of things - written a great proposal, made sure the job was a fit for my skills, applied early (usually - for example, I'm not as likely to apply a job that was posted 7 days ago), and vetted the client as best I can, then after that, I let fly. ๐Ÿ˜„ It'll happen or it won't.


I think this attitude is the key. You've learned how the platform works and created a business model for yourself that can operate within those parameters. The most unhappy freelancers seem to be the ones who approach Upwork as if it can be customized to their preferences.

 

IMO, if the quality of the leads that Upwork provides is not worth someone's time or effort then the solution is to find a better source of leads. Obviously, there are thousands of freelancers (or freelancer wannabes) who are convinced that chasing down those leads is worthwhile as evidenced by the 10s of applications for some of the posted jobs. 

 

TL;DR Bravo! Don't try to change the system, learn how to work the system. ๐Ÿ˜‰

 

 


Will L wrote:

but freelancers should probably not apply where a) there are already 30+ proposals sent to the client and b) the "Last viewed by client" is more than a week or so.

 

I agree with this IF the job is one that many freelancers can do well, but in more specialized areas where clients are looking for high-end services, it's not unusual for the client to take weeks to hone in on the two or three freelancers out of many bids that are real possibilities for the job.

^ I have had clients get back to me weeks later. I had pretty much forgotten about them during that time. They did turn out to be good clients. More often, clients have gotten back to me quickly, though.

I give my clients that space, whatever their reasons. OTOH, a few clients found me all booked up when they sent a job offer much later than the next client.


Melanie H wrote:
^ I have had clients get back to me weeks later. I had pretty much forgotten about them during that time. They did turn out to be good clients. More often, clients have gotten back to me quickly, though.

I give my clients that space, whatever their reasons. OTOH, a few clients found me all booked up when they sent a job offer much later than the next client.

That means it is time to raise your rate. ๐Ÿ˜‰ 

 

Edit: Nevermind, I see that you have. 

 

I tend to follow a process that says, apply if what the client has written is interesting regardless of the peripherals (hire rate, when joined, etc.) If you are carpet bombing the site every month then yes, I'd expect you will get duds. The more time you spend here the better you will get at picking the good from the bad mostly based on how the job description is written. paradoxically, the longer you are here the less connects you will need anyway.

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