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fergusm1970
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Is this a new low?

So I looked at a writing job that made it through my filters because the estimated budget was $1,000. So far so good. Then I noticed that it was for 100 reviews. Uh-oh; $10 for a review is pretty junk. Reading on, however, I came to this:

 

"Payment - $4 for every 20 reviews you make (20 x 100 word reviews)"

 

So the actual payment for 100 reviews isn't $1,000; it's $20. For 10,000 words (and, presumably, the time required to research 100 topics). That's 20 cents per 100 words. I don't think I've ever seen a writing job advertised anywhere that was such complete and utter tonk. I'm also reporting it for being deceptive.

 

Edited to add: I appear to have confused myself; the job posting wasn't $1,000 for 100 reviews, it was for an unspecified number. However I still think it's the worst job I've ever seen posted.

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lysis10
Member

20 cents for 100 words is a new record. Bet this low rent Amazon affiliate site will do well in Google.

raitiss
Member

Yes, seems like it's a new low, and yes, it's deceptive, but worst thing is and I can bet on it: someone will take it and actually do it. Ok, not a question about quality - it will be close to zero, most likely written different sentences for different part of the review and then auto-generated, with standart phrases without any sence about topic, but do client cares? Of course not, he got cheap, +/- ok reviews, so all is good to go. It's problem across freelance platforms - there are persons who agrees on this, actually do this without any quality and some standarts about themselves. It's question about freelancers. their provided service quality, not client. Why client should pay 10k if he can get the same for 1k or less? It's just question about quality of freelances, nothing more.

And then when they come to Google and say "y my site got penalty???" and I say "the writing sucks" and then they say "Oh, I hired someone on Upwork" and I say "umm OK."

 

A funny story of an essay mill that came to the forum asking why they couldn't get rid of a link penalty.

 

My comment was "you're an essay mill with poor writing on your own site... you deserve a penalty."

 

So, the guy posts his backlinks and one of them was from Elance's blog. /facepalm

 

Embarrassing for me since all of my cohorts there know I am on Elance. ๐Ÿ˜•

j_peloquin
Member

I've seen a few of these gigs. Sometimes they will add a niche to the post and than repost the same offer under the different niches.

j_peloquin
Member

So after reading this and going onto the job feed I think I found a job on par with this one. First it was 25 cents per 100 words. Than it stated that it was 1.25 per 500 words but only if you provided proof it wasn't plagurized. If you couldn't provide this proof than it drops down to only 1 per 500 words. They also need to hire 99 freelancers. After looking more at the site, the overall reviews are pretty low and it looks like almost every freelancer who was hired only got 1 star for they work that they did.


@Jonathan P wrote:

So after reading this and going onto the job feed I think I found a job on par with this one. First it was 25 cents per 100 words. Than it stated that it was 1.25 per 500 words but only if you provided proof it wasn't plagurized. If you couldn't provide this proof than it drops down to only 1 per 500 words. They also need to hire 99 freelancers. After looking more at the site, the overall reviews are pretty low and it looks like almost every freelancer who was hired only got 1 star for they work that they did.


heyyy wait a second, this sounds like a pretty lucrative gig. So basically, I just copy a bunch of 500 words articles and say "nope, ain't got no proof they aren't plagiarized. Where is my money? I'll take that buck for my 3 seconds of work. kkthx" You could totally do like $100/hour with this guy. 

Totally agree with Jennifer. It's a cool job opportunity. I can just write a Python script and scrape data from all over the web - won't even matter to the client since he obviously does care about Google and other search engines. I could just sit here doing nothing and finish 2000 articles in a day or more. Who's this joker? You should really educate these kind of clients about when they are getting themselves into.

sk-andaleeb
Member

What do we do then? In last 4 months, Upwork provided me over 1600$ of work. It is a good income in my country. Then, I received the top-rated badge. I took some writing courses, improved my skills and thought I won't have to work with low-paying clients since I am top-rated. 

 

I received 4-5 invitations just after I became top-rated. One person from US hired me. He offered me some good work. On that day, one more person hired me for an EBook project at a rate that I proposed. 

After that, I received no invitation and no job replies. I applied to 11 jobs and I am amazed to see no reply or hiring offer. Previously, I applied to 23 jobs and secured 13 of them. I reduced my rates, but nothing happened.

 

Any suggestions? 

I was just coming to the forum to see if I was the only one who noticed the extreme drop in pricing. I set my search for only the top earnings, the $$$ category to hopefully weed out all the low-paying jobs. So, I came across one that offered $35 for a 10,000 word ebook. Another was $50 for 10,000 words and so on.

 

There needs to be a better way of filtering through these writing jobs. I can't stand searching for jobs for long due to the horrible fonts and what not and the last thing I want to do is search 8 pages of jobs that are ridiculous.

 

I recently had a client offer me a job that I declined because it was too low. She sent me the job offer anyways. I declined. She wanted to know why. I told her it was too low. She actually tried to explain why her offer was low. Her main reasoning was because she had hired freelancers in the past and got subpar work. I politely explained that if she is paying somebody $30 to write a 5,000 word book, she is going to get what she paid for. I charge more because I am better than that.

 

Standards have fallen and it shows in the jobs being listed here.


S.K A wrote: I reduced my rates, but nothing happened.

 

Any suggestions? 


 Do *NOT* reduce your rate. That is not a good strategy and will not win you more work.

 

If you reduce your rate you get into the murky depth of the freelancing pond where the really cheap clients fish for really cheap, really unskilled, really inexperienced, or really desperate freelancers who bid next to nothing just to win contracts.

 

You can't compete with those so never try and compete on price.

 

If you have the skills compete on the quality of your skills and go for the high quality gigs with the high quality clients and the high quality budgets.

 

Yes, there are less of them, but they ARE out there, and strangely they get less proposals than the cheapies, and select on quality not price.

 

My last two writing gigs were $66.67 for 600 words, and one that was meant to be a translation but I convinced him that he didn't want a translation at all, he wanted some research and then a report written which he agreed to and paid me two hours at  $ 30 for.

 

You need to get away from the bottom dwellers.

 

You may find that you win MORE contracts if you go after the top quality jobs, and quote high than when you try to win on price. And clearly you need to win fewer jobs at a higher rate to maintain the same income.

 

Let me show you the "marketing effectiveness" bit from my "My Stats" page:

 

Marketing effectiveness2.jpg

 

As I tend to be the, or one of the highest bidders it proves that if you apply intelligently and convincingly for the right gigs you do NOT have to try and compete on price. At that sector of the market price is not the most important factor for the clients, they may even equate a high price with high quality.

 

I have to say that I don't actually apply for many writing jobs but when I do I go in at the rate I want, whether that's twice or way more than what others are bidding, and compete on quality not price!.

 

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