Nov 11, 2019 01:29:59 PM Edited Nov 11, 2019 01:31:39 PM by Aleksandar G
Nov 11, 2019 02:08:40 PM by Preston H
Clients can edit job descriptions.
Don't worry about this.
If the client contacts you, it is still up to you what you will and will not do. Job postings and proposals are not contracts. They are the beginning of a conversation.
Nov 11, 2019 10:51:15 PM by Aleksandar G
Nov 11, 2019 11:27:18 PM by Petra R
Aleksandar G wrote:
Of course it's up to me - I don't have to accept the job. But problem here is that I spent Connects I paid for applying for a job I could finish, and suddenly I'm not competent for the job, which means that I just throw away my Connects. That's not ok at all, from my point of view.
Were you actually contacted by the client?
Nov 11, 2019 11:45:16 PM by Aleksandar G
Nov 12, 2019 12:16:41 AM by Petra R
Aleksandar G wrote:
No. In the case that client not contact me at all, that's ok.
So, in other words, as of now you're neither in the running for the job you could do, or the job you can't, so the connects are gone and you're not hired either way.
Would that be a fair summary?
Aleksandar G wrote:
But if he does, job description changed and I can not accept job, which means my Connects goes away.
The connects have already gone away.
I don't ever look at job posts I have submitted a proposal to again, unless and until a client contacts me.
Send a proposal, forget about it.
Nov 12, 2019 12:30:32 AM by Aleksandar G
Nov 12, 2019 12:48:26 AM by Richard W
Aleksandar G wrote:
If job description were as it is now, I wouldn't apply at all and save my Connects which are not free anymore. It's not ok that client can change the job description in the way of asking for some additional job or additional skillset. It would be fair that client can cancel the job, Upwork refund connects to freelancers who sent proposal and client can set a new job with new description, so people with different skilleset could apply. So, Upwork allow clients to change description and doesn't allow freelancer to cancel the proposal and get Connects back. Why?
It's best to think of connects as the price to submit a proposal, and don't expect to get them back. If you made a job application by post, you wouldn't expect to get the price of the stamp back if the employer doesn't hire. (And here in the UK a first class stamp costs more than 4 connects.)
Nov 12, 2019 12:58:55 AM by Aleksandar G
Nov 12, 2019 01:05:29 AM by Goran V
Hi Aleksandar,
I understand your frustration with this and thank you for your feedback, I will share it with our team.
Nov 12, 2019 04:32:49 AM by Preston H
If a client changes a job description, it does not mean that he can't hire me.
It is true that I can not do Task B, but I can still do Task A.
The client knows that he changed the job description. If he contacts me, I will offer to do a great job on Task A, while working with the other team members who do Task B.
Nov 12, 2019 05:12:42 AM by Aleksandar G
This is not good concept for multiple reasons. One of them is that I applied for one job and after job description changed, maybe I am not good fit for client anymore or maybe I do not like new requirements, so we are in situation where I have proposal on job I do not want to do anymore or I have very small changes to get, because my skills are not matching with new description.
My point is that I have spent my Connects on job that can be changed by client anytime. That is not fair concept to freelancers, at all.
From my point of view, it would be fair that Client can only cancel the job and create a new one, while Upwork should refund all freelancers which sent proposals.
Nov 12, 2019 05:48:31 AM Edited Nov 12, 2019 05:52:39 AM by Draženko M
@Preston H I think that your opinion is consistent only when the client had updated the initial version of job description. The problem is that the client can change the whole idea of initial job description when task A is not the same anymore and the freelancer could not be able to do the new version of completely changed task A but the freelancer had spent his Connects on proposal for the initial job description. Also, client has absolute right to change the whole idea of the first version of job description which is not fair toward the freelancers that had spent their irreversible Connects.