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Jobs with pre-defined hourly rate

okhorev
Ace Contributor

Hello Upwork,

 

I suggest you to make client to choose preferred hourly rate so freelancers know better to post bid or not.

 

Regards,

Oleg

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kissgabor2030
Community Guru

Agreed, much more clear than checking "beginner/intermediate/expert".

Absolutely not!! 

 

When I post a job I do not want it to be defined by a price point. I want to see as many options as possible for people that meet the requiement of the job post.

 

I've often hire a "newbie" with a low rate who is actually an expert but trying to gain experience. With what you proposed I would never see these people and that would limit me in choices and possible good outcome.

On fixed price jobs we see budget and don't bid if budget is not what we are looking for.

 

As you are customer I know you want to see as many options as possible.

 

But as developer/freelancer - we don't want to spend $2 to bid your project if you are not ready to spend for what we are working.

 

For developers it will help more than customers will lose.


@Oleg K wrote:

On fixed price jobs we see budget and don't bid if budget is not what we are looking for.

 

As you are customer I know you want to see as many options as possible.

 

But as developer/freelancer - we don't want to spend $2 to bid your project if you are not ready to spend for what we are working.

 

For developers it will help more than customers will lose.


If there is not enough information for you to bid correctly on my job then please do not apply and waste your connects.

 

It is up to you whether or not you spend your connects, not me. It is not my problem. I post my job and if I say I want an expert then you as a freelancer in that category should know your client base well enough for you to make an informed decision on whether or not to apply.

 

If I say I want someone in North America that means I do not want people from Europe, Asia and Middle East countries applying. Unfortunately few freelancers respect my request and apply and waste their connects.

 

The more options I have when hiring the more likely I am to stay here as a client.

 

Take that away from me and there are dozens of other places I can go where my needs are respected. 

In your case you can set hourly rate to $1-$100 so you will get all bids.

I have to agree with Jean, and I'm not a client.  I don't want a client looking at my price, I want them looking at my skills and the value I can bring to their project.  Anyway, You can always look at the client's history and get a sense of what they pay.  

"Fairness is giving all people the treatment they earn and deserve. It doesn't mean treating everyone alike-Coach John Wooden"

I think over 50% job posts are from new clients who have no history.

 

Also sometimes clients are ready to spend more sometimes less. Depending on required work. For mobile App for example they are ready to spend $25 per hour. On static site may be $10 per hour. So we need to know still how much they are ready to spend.

I'm sorry, but I really don't understand why.  I mean, I have my price and it may flucuate a little depending on the scope of the project.  But If a client posts a project and is prepared to spend more money than I charge, I don't raise my rate to that level when I apply, I feel like that is taking advantage of the client.  I also don't drop my rate just to "land" a project.  I know what my value is.  And I may be misunderstanding your point, that has happened before.  lolol

"Fairness is giving all people the treatment they earn and deserve. It doesn't mean treating everyone alike-Coach John Wooden"

You can just bid on any hourly rate - it is not required option - just client set how much he is ready to spend. If your hourly rate is $15 per hour but client post $25 per hour you still can bid.

 

But if client set $5 per hour and you don't want to bid - you will see it and will not waste $2.


@Oleg K wrote:

You can just bid on any hourly rate - it is not required option - just client set how much he is ready to spend. If your hourly rate is $15 per hour but client post $25 per hour you still can bid.

 

But if client set $5 per hour and you don't want to bid - you will see it and will not waste $2.


I do not want to reveal what I plan to spend. I don't go into stores and say sell me a $2000 TV please. No, I get to look around, see different prices, study the benefits of each and then make a decision.

 

You do not have the right to take that away from me. You never know what bargains I might find here.

 

I may not know the going rate and the price I have in my mind in mine to keep private while I review candidates, their qualifications and employment history.  

 

If possible may be just do "Not sure" option up to defining hourly rate. It will solve your issue. Also on fixed price jobs people already set how much they are ready to spend so why not to make it for hourly jobs as well.


@Oleg K wrote:

You can just bid on any hourly rate - it is not required option - just client set how much he is ready to spend. If your hourly rate is $15 per hour but client post $25 per hour you still can bid.

 

But if client set $5 per hour and you don't want to bid - you will see it and will not waste $2.


Clients sometimes don't know what their budget should be. And that's okay. I've gone to brick and mortar interviews where I didn't know what the hourly rate was, human resources would ask in their list of questions ' what hourly rate do you want to work for?' (not exactly how they said it, but you get what i mean). Even if I didn't accept the job because the pay was too low, I never thought it was a waste of my time and money to go to the interview. 

It's like the lottery, you win some, you lose some, but you gotta be in it to win it. 🙂  

Same reply to your question Mariska.

 

If possible may be just do "Not sure" option up to defining hourly rate. It will solve your issue.

 

Also on fixed price jobs people already set how much they are ready to spend so why not to make it for hourly jobs as well.

 
 

@Oleg K wrote:

 

If possible may be just do "Not sure" option up to defining hourly rate. It will solve your issue.

 

Also on fixed price jobs people already set how much they are ready to spend so why not to make it for hourly jobs as well.


 No. That is not fair to clients. It also identifies the client as being knew with no knowledge which simply sets them up to be abused by the scammers here. 

 

Transparency is a good thing. Taking options away from clients is never a good thing.

Fixed price jobs are already there, so making hourly jobs with defined rate range is not a something what will make system more bad - it will be just right to have defined hourly rated jobs as it is already there for fixed price jobs.

 

Also as an option for you is to set "Not sure" option. If you know your budget - you set it, if you don't know - you set "don't know".


@Oleg K wrote:

Same reply to your question Mariska.

 

If possible may be just do "Not sure" option up to defining hourly rate. It will solve your issue.

 

Also on fixed price jobs people already set how much they are ready to spend so why not to make it for hourly jobs as well.

 
 

I think there is already an option for 'not sure', but upwork can't force clients to use any options available to them. So, I guess it is what it is until it changes Oleg. 🙂 

Currently there is no hourly rate defined at all. It is always just hourly job. Having option "Not sure" and define hourly rate range for example $15-$25 should provide better option for freelancers to bid and not waste connects.

Maybe not in your category but that is already available in other categories.

Here is what I see on all jobs

> Hourly - Expert ($$$) - Est. Time: 1 to 3 months, Part Time - Posted 32 minutes ago
 
No hourly rate defined.
 

...and as I said, this is what I see. Those figures are grossly exagerated and I can easily hire an expert for less money and for that reason I would not want this.

 

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