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Re: Manual Hours

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Martina P Member Since: Jul 11, 2018
11 of 17

I think it is slightly weird... there are basically 3 options: fixed price, hourly with time tracker, manual hours. Manual hours offers you the least - or no - protection. You could either agree to a fixed price (easily determined because you know the length of the video), or a specific number of hours that you log with the time tracker (also easily agreed upon, and you could just stop tracking once you reached the agreed upon hours.)

Manual hours offers no protection at all.

From the client's perspective, it makes no difference at all how you log hours, this does not create any additional work for him. Even easier is fixed price, no need to check any hours. 

Seeing this is potentially your first contract, I am a little suspicious that the client might want to take advantage of your inexperience. 

So I would discuss it further before accepting the offer and see if he is willing to agree to a solution that is better for you. If he is willing to pay, he should not have a reason not to. 

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Elba A Member Since: Feb 28, 2017
12 of 17

Martina P wrote:

a specific number of hours that you log with the time tracker (also easily agreed upon, and you could just stop tracking once you reached the agreed upon hours.)

From the client's perspective, it makes no difference at all how you log hours, this does not create any additional work for him.


Totally agree, this is the perfect way to do this; if he insists on manual hours only I'd run, and fast!

I have a client: he said 'I don't allow manuals hours', I was like "ok", but in the inside yupi!!!!!, I don't do manual hours, either way, he gave me plenty it's almost a year I have never hit the weekly limit!

 

IMPORTANT: There are some criteria that need to meet in order to be protected.

 

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Preston H Member Since: Nov 24, 2014
13 of 17

I like Martina's idea.

 

The forum participants pointing out that this is not "really" an hourly contract job are correct.

 

I would elaborate and say that:

Technically this is an attempt to COMBINE the fixed-price and hourly contract models.

 

The freelancer already said she is okay with the arrangement and the resulting pay.

 

If the freelancer is fully aware of the issues surrounding this arrangement, I think it is okay to do.

 

As I have stated before in other threads, attempts to combine fixed-price and hourly contract models usually work out poorly for the freelancer.

 

This proposed arrangement strikes me as less egregious than other attemps to combine the contract models. But it still merits caution. Hopefully this client is simply trying to be very frugal, and is not an outright scammer. That's what it seems like to me.

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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
14 of 17

Preston H wrote:

. Hopefully this client is simply trying to be very frugal, and is not an outright scammer. That's what it seems like to me.


Maybe the client is simply used to paying per video-hour, this is absolutely normal outside of Upwork . Transcription is paid per audio-hour, subtitling etc ditto.

 

The client is likely neither "frugal", nor a scammer, he is just working according to what is the norm in the industry he is familiar with.

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Rachel U Member Since: Feb 15, 2019
15 of 17

Thank you to everyone who offered their suggestions in regards to this situation. Being new to Upwork, all of your experienced opnions are very valuable. Thanks again!

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Richard W Member Since: Jun 22, 2017
16 of 17

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe manual hours are not safe even after the client has approved them. She can still dispute them up to 30 days after the end of the contract, and will still win the dispute automatically. In that case, even if the money is already in your bank account, you would have to repay it or else be suspended from Upwork. Is that right?

 

ETA I don't mean to scare you, Rachel. I haven't had any problem being paid so far, even with manual hours. Chances are you'll be OK.

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Petra R Member Since: Aug 3, 2011
17 of 17

Richard W wrote:

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe manual hours are not safe even after the client has approved them. She can still dispute them up to 30 days after the end of the contract, and will still win the dispute automatically. In that case, even if the money is already in your bank account, you would have to repay it or else be suspended from Upwork. Is that right?


Yes, that is correct.

 

Clients don't "approve" manual (or any) hours.

Approval is by not disputing.

 

I've never had an hour (or anything else) disputed in nearly 14k hours. It is worth bearing in mind that the protection is limited, but disputes are exception, not the rule.

 

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