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teewee
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My client brought in "partners"

Hi, guys! I need you advice, please? One of my clients, which I work full time for, has brought in his friends/"business partners". He told us that they would merge companies but turned out they are still two separate entities sharing the same CRM. Now my tasks are doubled.  I told him that this doesn't feel right as my contract is only for his company but he insisted that I should think that they are operating as one. He raised my hourly pay a dollar more but I still feel uncomfortable about this. I feel like I'm working for two clients with same pay. I asked to leave and he said I need to render 60 days. Help? Is it not right for me to feel this way?

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ashrafkhan81
Community Member

Isn't it good that your work has now doubled and you get to log more hours? And end up earning double? 

 

He also increased your rate by a dollar, I do not see a  problem here?

Now, If it was fixed pay and you were asked to work double whether, for the same or two different companies, that would have been unfair!!!

 

You can end the contact anytime, no need to wait for 60 days. But would be unfair to quit the work without any "sound" reason that may enrage the client and you'd end up with a bad review. 

 

All your 3 open contracts are high-value contracts that can have a significant impact on the JSS and impair your ability to get more work. 

 

And the one closed contract did not end well! I am not even sure how you can get JSS in the first place with only 1 contract and that too 100% with just one closed contract! But whatever, don't mess up things...

 

I suggest you wait and see how it goes for a few more weeks. I am sure you will change your mind. 

 

 

LOL I don't know how I got my JSS and ratings too! Thanks for your reply btw. My friends said it's because of my earnings. This is like a fixed pay. I still work 40 hours per week for both of them. Having new partners did not add to my hours, only my tasks were doubled. Now I have to monitor more social media accounts and make more marketing collaterals for two different companies.


Maria Nona Wilma R wrote:

LOL I don't know how I got my JSS and ratings too! Thanks for your reply btw. My friends said it's because of my earnings. This is like a fixed pay. I still work 40 hours per week for both of them. Having new partners did not add to my hours, only my tasks were doubled. Now I have to monitor more social media accounts and make more marketing collaterals for two different companies.


How do you log the time? Are you paid with a weekly retainer or do you log the time with the tracker?
If the clients pays you for 40 hours of your time no matter what, you own him the time. If you use the tracker, he could refuse to pay the time worked for his partner unless you have updated the contract accordingly.

It si good to be in the boss' side but at the same time on your position's role, Hopefully your answers get edited. Who you are making your money from ??? Ashraf ??? Now, please reply and said who your side is with. You are here to help the freelancer, not to benefit from your role, are you ???


TY ๐Ÿ™‚ 

I think your client needs a link for the work diary ??!!

bf06d2cf
Community Member

But you paid per hour? Then 50-50 or 70-30 productivity. Rest of requests are queued.

teewee
Community Member

I work 40 hours per week guaranteed. This is a full time position. They are saving labor cost. 

tlsanders
Community Member


Maria Nona Wilma R wrote:

I work 40 hours per week guaranteed. This is a full time position. They are saving labor cost. 


It kind of sounds like what you're saying is that they were paying you for 40 hours and you weren't working 40 hours, and now you're upset that they want to fill up the time they're paying for?

teewee
Community Member

My 40 hours before was already maxed but now 40 hours per week is not enough to finish all the tasks and anything excess that I work to cope us is unpaid.

That's exactly what I suspected it to be! 

 

Whether you work 20 hours or 40 hours, you get a fixed pay and you are allowed to enter manual hours! 

 

Now the employers want you to work a little extra within the limits he signed you up for! 

 

Do you know what would be ethical? He has been paying you for 40 hours, and he will continue to pay you for 40 hours. So you should provide me 40hours' worth of your time! 

 

Have you thought about days and weeks when you were not busy on his projects but still took home 40 hours' worth of payment? NO! 

 

Seriously! it is not rocket science. It is just about being fair! And the guy also gave you a raise! If its an 18/H job that will be a 5% increase, and if it's the 9/H job a 10% increase. 

 

I will say it again don't mess it up, I see you have some good long-term projects going on, don't mess it up! 

 

 

 

Do you know how much I worked with only one company? There's no "not busy days" no down time and the 40-hour was maxed how much more now? Where did you get that idea that I was just there sitting pretty working for just a few hours and paid for 40 hours? Do you think I would complain if I would just "do a little job" for him and his friends?? Now I said my tasks are doubled even tripled and it requires more than one skill other than graphic designing.. now I have to do social media marketing, property management, and property research, which were not in my contract. We agreed at a certain amount on a certain skill at the beginnning. Next time when you give suggestions, you probe before you judge. If I have a top-rated plus status and a 100% jss, that's because I worked hard for that.

prestonhunter
Community Member

re: "My client brought in 'partners'"

 

That's fine.

LOTS of my clients have partners.

Silent partners who work together behind the scenes on their business.

But only one of them actively acts as the project manager at any one time, to coordinate my work on the project.

 

Your problem is NOT that your client has partners.

You don't care about that, and neither do I.

 

Your complaint is that there is more than one project.

That's a valid complaint.

 

YOU can do whatever you want.

You can decide whether or not to continue working for this group of clients.

You can decide if you want to work ONLY for the origial client.
You can let the client know what you will and will not do.

 

He told you that you need to give render 60 days of work, or give 60 days advance notice?

 

Wow, he just showed you his cards.

This client clearly values your help highly and needs you more than you need him.

 

The actual rule is that you don't need to give any client ANY advance notice before you end a contract. You can give zero notice and just close the contract.

 

But I advise you to continue working for this client, at least enough to wind things down if you really don't want to work for him. YOU have all the power here, and if you want to tell the client what the rules are, who you will work with, what your hours are, etc., you can do so.

I did. I told him my contract is only for his company. He said he values me as an employee not as a freelancer that's why he can add tasks as many as he likes. 

re: "He said he values me as an employee not as a freelancer that's why he can add tasks as many as he likes."

 

LOL.

I value pecan pie as a protein but it still spikes my blood sugar if I eat it.

exactly! 

moonraker
Community Member


Maria Nona Wilma R wrote:

He raised my hourly pay a dollar more but I still feel uncomfortable about this. I feel like I'm working for two clients with same pay. 


I don't understand.

You're being paid hourly and you get more work at a higher rate, on an hourly basis?

How is it the same pay? 

teewee
Community Member

I work 40 hours per week for them. I told him it wasn't fair and he increased $1 per hour. Since I'm now working for two companies, I think I should be paid doubled cause now my tasks are doubled.

moonraker
Community Member

Do you really expect them to pay you twice the money for working the same hours? 

It doesn't work like that. 

teewee
Community Member

I am expecting to work for only one client whom I have contract with.

moonraker
Community Member


Maria Nona Wilma R wrote:

I am expecting to work for only one client whom I have contract with.


Why does it matter if he bought a partner in? What difference does it make to you? 

teewee
Community Member

Working for two different companies means two different process, more tasks that an 8-hour work day is not enough to finish all those and my contract is only for one company. They divided the labor cost and brought in more tasks.


Maria Nona Wilma R wrote:

Working for two different companies means two different process, more tasks that an 8-hour work day is not enough to finish all those and my contract is only for one company. They divided the labor cost and brought in more tasks.


Since you can't double your work hours, you should discuss with the client and decline the additional tasks. It is not really fair to the client to ask for an increase of your hourly rate (unless you worked for him for a longer amount of time), because you will not work faster or do more in the time you spend on this, right? 

Are you saying you are working faster now? Still not clear. 

Nobody can stop you from telling him what your demands are.

 

He can choose to meet your demands, or not. You can choose to continue working for him, or not.

 

Most of us here in the Forum (including myself) probably won't be able to understand your math. But this is your decision to make, not ours.

 

If the client doesn't like what you have to say, the worst he can do is leave dreadful feedback.

tlbp
Community Member


Maria Nona Wilma R wrote:

I work 40 hours per week for them. I told him it wasn't fair and he increased $1 per hour. Since I'm now working for two companies, I think I should be paid doubled cause now my tasks are doubled.


Which would imply that you were getting paid an hour's worth of money for an half an hour's worth of effort before. 

teewee
Community Member

We discussed and agreed on my rate and the volume of tasks at the beginning, which was a guaranteed 40-hour per week, and a certain amount of tasks. Now he invited a friend whom he could share the labor cost with and doubled my tasks for the same base pay.

Can you please provide  a link to where the employer can see my work diary? Thank you! 

fatig
Community Member

If your client increased your workload to the point where 40h isn't enough then there's obviously a problem, and idk why other people here don't seem to understand that. It all boils down to how much you need this job (if you can get another one easily enough). You can try to reason with him - he can either increase your hours (if you actually want that) or decrease your workload to what you agreed on. If you can afford to drop this job, then you can do that as well.

The 60 day rule is bs, esp. since it's obvious he didn't tell you about it beforehand/it's not in your contract.

It is very simple, an hour worked is a an hour paid. If the job does not meet original description now or it goes beyond agreed terms; Re-negotiate or pass by. 

KISS

P.D - It is always better to discuss over a video conference call rather than upwork messaging,. oh waiy, upwork no whas video features.. nice!



Iga F wrote:

If your client increased your workload to the point where 40h isn't enough then there's obviously a problem, and idk why other people here don't seem to understand that.


I think the confusion was caused by Maria initially just complaining about her client expecting her to do more work, without mentioning that she was already working the maximum number of hours he was willing to pay for.

tlbp
Community Member


Maria Nona Wilma R wrote:

We discussed and agreed on my rate and the volume of tasks at the beginning, which was a guaranteed 40-hour per week, and a certain amount of tasks. Now he invited a friend whom he could share the labor cost with and doubled my tasks for the same base pay.


Thank you, I understand the situation better now. 

 

A 40-hour per week gig is much like employment (which may or may not be appropriate or legal to treat as a freelancing contract depending on your jurisdiction.) Your client is treating it very much like an employment by changing the terms and tasks at will. From their perspective, they are paying for all of every hour and if you can handle more tasks, they can send you more tasks. 

 

So, fair or not, you are stuck. ๐Ÿ˜’

 

You can't stop the client from sending you more tasks and your objection netted you only an extra dollar per hour. If you don't want to do the extra tasks for the current weekly pay, you will need to find a way to exit the contract without triggering a bad review. That may be a delicate process. Try to be as polite and non-confrontational as possible. 

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