I would just like to point out that many clients have stated (Including a client who is a frequent forum contributor) stated that they would have never posted a project if they had to verify their payment method or put down a deposit.
If you walk into a store and they make you verify your payment before you shop, are you going to continue shopping with them? Most people would say no thanks and go somewhere else. You just have to learn what to look out for. It takes time, but you can eventually tell if it is a scam within the first few lines of a posting or the first few minutes of an interview.
Point is, if you follow the TOS of the site, there's no reason to get scammed.
First of all, your rationale is not sufficient for this scenario. Walking into a store to buy something is not the same as hiring someone.the truth of the matter is that Upwork is lazy and they don't want to do the extra work it takes to make sure the platform is not a haven for scammers.
@Johnny A wrote:
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This platform has been nothing but pocket change, at best, every since about mid 2015. Hasn’t been worth much more than that since. At least not for solo freelancers.
Many solo freelancers on this site would not agree with you!
I hear you.
The sad reality is, there's simply an uptick in fraudulant activity everywhere. I get scammers sending me emails from pretty much every avenue available. WE are a necessary part of Upwork's ability to track down the scammers. They just don't have the manpower necessary to police every single job post -- that's why there's a flag option.
Ultimately, Upwork is a vehicle to connect freelancers and clients. Offline and off Upwork, we have to be willing and able to parse the real clients from the frauds, and it holds just as true for Upwork.
My point in the earlier post was simply that Upwork's TOS is one of the ways they DO, actually, protect users from scammers. If users follow the rules, scams like the one you mentioned are a non-issue.
@Johnny A wrote:
doesn't pay me to be a client filter for them.
Nope, so don't "be a client filter" for them. Just apply to contracts with "safe" clients if you don't want to do any filtering, and leave the new clients without verified payment methods and without history to those who don't mind filtering for themselves (not "for Upwork")
The scammers are generally easily spotted, and it's almost impossible to get scammed without breaking the terms of service.
Storm in teacup.
I applied to a job posting with my resume on utilizing your platform then got a message opened requesting me to set up a online interview on Telegram msg system , meanwhile I googled your client and found out they are scammers, they already have my name and information.
this is what I found on Google. You should confirm companies before allowing them to post for safety reasons. With this said I am Beyond disatisfied with your website. Look in the messaging for the attachment they sent and also google them yourself
**Edited for community guidelines**
I'm sorry to hear about your experience. Thanks for flagging this job to us. I've checked and it looks like the job has already been taken down because it was in violation of Upwork TOS and action has been taken on the client account.
Please, check this help article for more information on how to use the flag option found on each job post or message to report any suspicious or inappropriate content. Also, check out this post for more tips on how to avoid questionable jobs.
Ayesha H wrote:
I am sure they took it down right away after I told them I was reporting
that it is Fraud my concern is now that they have my information
Why would you have given them any of your details?
It is actally really difficult to get scammed on Upwork without violating the terms of service or safe practice and common sense.
Ayesha H wrote:
Wouldn't you have
an IEN number of some sort that they are registered to with the Secretary
No, because they were not in the US. Those scams are as old as the hills and are all over the Internet.
If you stick to some very basic rules, you are quite safe here.