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Nothing has changed since the upwork payed connects!

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Isabelle Anne A Member Since: May 19, 2014
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Amanda L wrote:

Maybe we have to agree to disagree. You're free to complain; I'm free to be brutally honest. The world goes round. We're both making money, so it's all good. Smiley Happy 


Let's ... for the record, I do agree with some of what you say + I have more good than bad things to say about Upwork (obviously, otherwise I wouldn't still be on the site). I'm just not prepared to ignore their ongoing issues & unjustifiable changes they make. Eventually Upwork will get worse and I'll leave; they'll stay the same and I'll stay; or they'll get better and I'll become their avid proponent Smiley Happy Guess we'll just have to see what happens!

 


Tiffany S wrote:

There is a world of difference between that and the many people who say, "With paid connects, I cannot make any money and haven't had any income for XX weeks and my family is starving and the best solution I can come up with is to hang around in the forum complaining about it rather than try to find a way to make money."


100%, I do not support those kinds of complaints -- but in any case, those are clearly not the ones I'm referring to. There are plenty of people with reasonable complaints (even if repetitive) who get shut down as soon as they come on the forums. Anyway, I've made my opinions here as clear as I can, as has everyone else I think, so I don't really have anything further to say.

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Tiffany S Member Since: Jan 15, 2016
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Isabelle Anne A wrote:

100%, I do not support those kinds of complaints -- but in any case, those are clearly not the ones I'm referring to. There are plenty of people with reasonable complaints (even if repetitive) who get shut down as soon as they come on the forums. Anyway, I've made my opinions here as clear as I can, as has everyone else I think, so I don't really have anything further to say.


To me it usually appears to be a matter of presentation. I don't often see people who raise concerns in a reasonable way shut down that way. It seems to me that usually occurs under specific circumstances such as:

 

- A person who has been on Upwork for one month and never had a job, with little outside freelancing experience comes to the forum and makes a big categorical declaration about what Upwork is doing wrong and how it's bad for all freelancers

- A freelancer makes dramatic statements about how Upwork is going to go out of business because it isn't doing things the way he/she would prefer

- A freelancer declares that Upwork is "destroying my ability to make a living" or "ruining the freelancing industry" or some other ridiculously overbroad drama with nothing offered in support of that conclusion.

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Tiffany S Member Since: Jan 15, 2016
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Isabelle Anne A wrote:


What you're saying is very matter of fact, which is fine and true, but remember those words whenever Upwork unleashes on the platform its Talent Specialists, which you complained about in another thread (and which I stongly agreed with you about btw). In the same way, Upwork thinks those TSs are good for business, but they're simply wrong.

 The critical difference is that the talent specialists were an annoyance. Yes, they were bad for business, but they didn't overnight make Upwork categorically unprofitable for the freelancers who complained. In that case, it made sense to stay here and say, "Hey, it would be better if you didn't do this." The complaining freelancers were making profits and hoping to make a specific improvement.

 

There is a world of difference between that and the many people who say, "With paid connects, I cannot make any money and haven't had any income for XX weeks and my family is starving and the best solution I can come up with is to hang around in the forum complaining about it rather than try to find a way to make money."

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Tiffany S Member Since: Jan 15, 2016
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Tom Z wrote:

Thank you Isabelle! Exactly, why is there a bunch of "you can use Upwork or leave" posts. Absolutely uncalled for.


Tom, if you were in a fish market and a customer came in looking for steak, would you ratify the customer's complaints and suggest that he lobby management and go out and get a petition started up to compel the store to sell beef, or would you tell him that this particular store did not have what he wanted and he should look elsewhere?

 

Probably in your book it would be uncalled for to save him time and money by directing him to a more suitable option?

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Tom Z Member Since: Jul 10, 2016
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Upwork is not a restaurant sweetie, there's no replacement for it. So I find your analogy to a restaurant inaccurate and misleading. Can you name an XYZ alternative that has as much traction as Upwork? You see, this is why we need to voice feedback more because how else would execs at Upwork know what to do to improve the system? And yes, if the customer did want steak, and I only sold fish, if enough customers ask me to make steak, guess what, I will make steak! lol. And listen guys, I am forever grateful to Upwork for the continuing journey, that is why I'm spending time to read and provide my honest feedback. This is all constructive feedback.

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Tiffany S Member Since: Jan 15, 2016
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Tom Z wrote:

Upwork is not a restaurant sweetie, there's no replacement for it. So I find your analogy to a restaurant inaccurate and misleading. Can you name an XYZ alternative that has as much traction as Upwork? You see, this is why we need to voice feedback more because how else would execs at Upwork know what to do to improve the system? And yes, if the customer did want steak, and I only sold fish, if enough customers ask me to make steak, guess what, I will make steak! lol. And listen guys, I am forever grateful to Upwork for the continuing journey, that is why I'm spending time to read and provide my honest feedback. This is all constructive feedback.


If you're looking for an Upwork replica, perhaps not.

 

There are quite a few other freelancing platforms that are focused in one industry, or that have experience requirements, or that are just smaller.

 

But, that hardly matters at all, because of course freelancing platforms are just one tiny slice of the possible ways that a person can secure freelancing work.

 

There are referral networks, job board postings, working social networks like LinkedIn, building a website and attaching Google ads, creating a Facebook page and creating value and boosting content to draw in prospective clients, advertising in trade journals or other publications in the industry you're targeting, cold emailing, cold calling, joining the Chamber of Commerce, hosting a free informational event, referrals from past clients and colleagues, referrals from random people you come in contact with in daily life, building direct relationships with agencies...just to name the first few options that spring to mind.

 

And, just to clear things up, "sweetie"--a fish market is not a restaurant. But, leaving that aside, would you suggest that the customer who wanted steak sit forlornly in your lobby starving to death until you started offering steak? Because that is precisely what the freelancers proclaiming that they can't make any money at all anymore and can't afford to buy connects but are devoting their time to complaining here rather than seeking other opportunities are doing.

 

If you never got around to selling steak, or it took two years for you to make that shift, would you suggest that those people sit around complaining to you until they literally starved to death?

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Mark F Member Since: Jul 10, 2018
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Tom Z wrote:

Upwork is not a restaurant sweetie, there's no replacement for it. So I find your analogy to a 


That is not right, you are being unnecessarily condescending and you should apologize. 

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Amanda L Member Since: Jan 23, 2018
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Mark F wrote:

Tom Z wrote:

Upwork is not a restaurant sweetie, there's no replacement for it. So I find your analogy to a 


That is not right, you are being unnecessarily condescending and you should apologize. 


Mark, if you know anything about the South, we can just say "bless his little heart." Smiley LOL

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Robert G Member Since: Aug 7, 2018
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I completely agree about telling clients upfront about Upwork's cut.

 

However, how do you expect to get business if you don't go looking for work. I would be thrilled if a large number of clients sent me unsolicited requests for proposals, but they don't. I have to work to get work. Yes, I don't like writing proposals, and yes I get a small percentage of work for my proposals, but how else do you expect to get clients to know anything about you. If you didn't have Upwork, how would you get  your name out into the world?

 

There are a number of things I don't like about Upwork, but I think putting the blame on Upwork to make you market yourself is unfair. Every time I write a new proposal, I find a twist on how I would have written the previous proposal. I try to make the process as painless as possible, but it takes work.

 

I would suggest creating a method to reduce the time to write proposals yet make them personal and specific to each project. In the long run, if you have skills that are valuable, a client will find you. IMHO.

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Tom Z Member Since: Jul 10, 2016
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Shaun D - you said it better than I could. You're not the only one bro. I know people who are seriously rethinking their career on Upwork. Like you said, there's more and more clients that just want free info. They complain about the hourly rate when they forget that they aren't paying the taxes, benefits as they would on a W2 employee. So say the hourly rate is $100 - after Upwork's 20%, and government taxes, honestly the worker only gets back probably $60/hr, after health care, insurance, probably $45.

 

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