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Remove Hourly Criteria from Fixed Jobs

Community Leader
Patrick P Member Since: Jun 17, 2015
11 of 26

As someone who only works on fixed rates, I also find this frustrating. That said, they are preferences more so than strict guidelines. I'm sure the hourly criteria is hurting fixed-rate posters, but I've also received interviews/jobs through Upwork where 100 or more hours were part of the posting criteria.

Community Guru
Nichola L Member Since: Mar 13, 2015
12 of 26

In the oDesk days I took a massive risk by only working on a fixed-rate basis. I have hardly any hourly jobs recorded on oDesk/Upwork. Nearly all of them have been fixed-rate. Now, with the new escrow process, it is much easier. The two recent clients I had on Upwork had no problems with being asked to change the job to fixed rate.

Community Guru
Douglas Michael M Member Since: May 22, 2015
13 of 26

@Nichola L wrote:

The two recent clients I had on Upwork had no problems with being asked to change the job to fixed rate.


Nichola,

 

There was an earlier discussion of changing hourly jobs to fixed rate, and I forget the upshot.

 

Is this a "change," as you describe it? Does it require closing the job and opening a new one, as others have described it? Is it anything like Elance's system where "convert" meant a slightly cumbersome (and sometimes advantageous) "voiding" and re-creation?

 

I understand that the conversion option is not available to providers (insert obligatory weeping, moaning, and gnashing of teeth). Is it easy to describe it to prospects/clients, and/or direct them to do?

 

Thanks and best,

Michael

Community Guru
John K Member Since: Feb 17, 2015
14 of 26

Scott pointed out earlier,

 

"escort protection"

 

Freudian slip? 

 

Might be. Cat Embarassed Although spell check wouldn't have caught it, and I don't spell check anyway when I'm posting here so apologies in advance for future malaprops I may perpetrate.

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Nichola L Member Since: Mar 13, 2015
15 of 26

Michael,

 

If ever I can access my work messages again in chronological order (without having to sing the Japanese national anthem, which still doesn' t have the magic words to the cave of my expertise), I will share (privately) the relevant screenshots of the initial contacts with these two clients.

 

But in neither case, were the jobs re-inititiated. On the other hand, I don't know what my two clients did to make it work so smoothly.

 

It would be - well - a miracle, if Upwork could provide an A - Z of how the site actually works. You know, in words, rather than those funny hieroglyphs that are even worse than acronyms . . . sorry, I'm bordering on a rant. Smiley Frustrated

Moderator
Valeria K Moderator Member Since: Mar 6, 2014
16 of 26

Hi Michael,

 

Let me attempt to answer your question. It is not possible to switch from an hourly contract to a fixed-price contract without ending it and making a new fixed-price offer on Upwork. Here is a help article about it that you can share with your clients.

 

The option to turn a fixed-price contract into an hourly one is available in the Job Details.

 

I hope it helps.

~ Valeria
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Nichola L Member Since: Mar 13, 2015
17 of 26

Valeria, would you please look at my last job, which was advertised as hourly, and which was not reposted as a fixed-rate job.  I am totally, totally confused.

 

Edited to add:

 

I have a request to Upwork to publish an extensive, correctly edited  guide as to how this site works. Everyone in the forum tries their best, but there are no cut and dried answers. People who have been  loyal to the oDesk brand are upset, and confused by the change to Upwork and are being sidelined. People who have had dual accounts with Elance or have recently migrated from Elance are completely lost and disillusioned.

 

I think it is high time that freelancers are told exactly how JS works, that they are told exactly what is expected of them from the new CEO and that they are told exactly what the ToS consists of.

 

What is currently available is a mishmash of meaningless rules and regs, that are constantly being abused by freelancer and client alike.

 

 

 

Moderator
Valeria K Moderator Member Since: Mar 6, 2014
18 of 26

Hi Nichola,

 

I see that you have one active hourly contract and the rest are fixed-price. If the client wants to switch the hourly contact to fixed price, they do not need to repost a job posting, they can end the current contract and then click rehire. On the next page they can fill job offer details and sent a new fixed-price offer to you.

 

Let me know if you need any additional information.

~ Valeria
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Nichola L Member Since: Mar 13, 2015
19 of 26

Valeria, with respect, you have missed the point.

 

The client you are referring to is dormant (for some years) and paid me in bonus payments not tracked hours. I am talking about my most recent client - job completed (June 2015), who advertised his job as hourly, and when he showed interest in my bid, I asked for the job to be fixed-rate. He did NOT have to repost the job. I don't know what he did, but the job became fixed-rate and there was no problem.

 

Edited to add:

 

If things were organized a little better and in chronological order, this misunderstanding could have been avoided.

Moderator
Valeria K Moderator Member Since: Mar 6, 2014
20 of 26

Sorry about the misunderstanding, Nichola.

 

I have checked the job I belive you are referring to and it looks like while the job posting was for hourly job, the client made an offer for fixed-price job because you asked him to during the interview. Offer can have different terms from the job posting. There was no active hourly contract and therefore no need to end and rehire.

 

Please, let me know if this explanation makes sense. If you have further questions, please send me the name of the contract in question in a private message and I will check again.

 

Thank you!

~ Valeria
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